Why should I pump?

I’ve been manual pe-ing for 3.5 months now. I’ve gained some nice length and a very small increase in girth. I’ve been reading pumping targets girth. I’ve also read the gains from pumping aren’t permanant. Maybe I’m reading the wrong threads but I just want to know why I should pump if my size gains aren’t going to be permanent. Thanks

I’d like to know the answer to this question as well. Guys?

Permanence of pumping (again)

^^^^^^^Here is a thread on the topic^^^^^^^^^^

Not sure if there is a clear answer, as with the whole pe thing itself.

I’m not one to answer loads of pumping questions, but I can tell you that saying pumping gains aren’t permanent is a terrible generalization.

YouknowD,

Have you done a search on this? :) You’re not the first to ask. Of course you’ve read enough to see the doubt, but more research would give you the same answers you’ll get in this thread.

Edit: Looks like you have. :)

Here is my take:

Pumping alone can cause massive gains in girth. You could pump up to 10 in/Hg and inflate your unit with blood and lymph till you’re happy but it isn’t going to last long and as far as I am concerned 10 in/Hg would be penile torture.

However, think about what pumping does; it creates a negative pressure around your penis. Your unit has no choice but to fill the space until the pressure is equalised. If that isn’t possible, your unit will fill to its max and then you’ll experience stretch. Now this stretch is good, and great gains could be had from this. It is not to be underestimated - pumping at low vacuums can leave you with slow but steady increases in erection hardness, vascularity, flaccid hang etc.

The best part is yet to come however. I think manual PE is great; stretching is powerful, and jelqing can be amazingly effective if done right. So what better, when you’ve just stressed your unit with a heavy jelqing session, than a pumping session to take your unit to its (new?) maximum for a few minutes, flooding it with freshly oxygenated blood. Then you can stop, jelq more, and repeat.

A synergistic approach that augments the effectiveness of manual PE; that is the way I see it. If anyone sees fault with anything in the above feel free to point it out!

Bravo! ICM.

You have just outlined my routine which I have kept for 2 1/2 months, since I started pumping. I’m elated with the results and so is my wife. My dick is hanging more, the girth has increased by .2”, feels heavier, my balls retract much, much less or none at all (I also pump my balls), they also hang longer, bigger, fuller. It is a great experience.

Thanks Hog, I was worried I was rambling.

We’ve been pumping for nearly the exact same time, and my results include greatly increased flaccid hang, frequent erections throughout the day, and some gains in length and girth (especially at the base). I am however struggling (but winning) to stretch enough skin so my balls don’t ride too high!

I have pumped for five years, I do not pump now though. I found that continuos pumping can actually cause your erections to diminish to the point that all you can get is a big sloppy dick that will not stay up. Many pumpers suffer from serious problems trying to attain an keep an erection. If you are going to pump make sure that you only pump for 15 minuets and take a 5 minute break. Do not pump without a Vacuum gauge fitted to the pump. Do not pump any higher that 5 hg. Pump on alternate days. Be very careful of any pain you might get at the base of your dick. Pumping gives great feelings and can be very relaxing, but it can also be very destructive to your sex life.

Peter, I am sorry, but this - “Many pumpers suffer from serious problems trying to attain an keep an erection” - is total bullshit.

I would agree that pumpers who over-do their routines and go to excess do have problems. Had you not overdone yourself, you’d be with the rest of us sensible pumpers - having better erectile response than you did before.

Read the archives here at Thunders. Complaints like your own which cannot be connected to some type of over-zealous pumping are next to non-existant. If you can find one, related to doing what we call “sensible pumping”, give us a link and we’ll certainly have a good look at it. Meanwhile, I would appreciate it if you would be more up front about your own mistakes in your own pumping career than expressing vagueries which mislead readers.

I’d like to remind you that you never responded to this post of toolguy’s, see # 12. To clarify your position, that would be a very good start.

I was waiting for Mr Avocet8’s reply to this thread :)

I don’t want to jump into the middle of your little spat, but I’d like to say something, here.

Avocet, perhaps that is all he is trying to say, and just needs a little verification. :) There are a lot of guys out there who don’t even know about Thunder’s Place, and are doing some really bad things to themselves. Perhaps this is what he is expressing; not condoning it… simply just mentioning that it exists, and isn’t necessarily the “best way to go.” Is that it, Peter? I wish I had those links I ran across a couple of years ago… some really ugly pumping sites of guys that looked more like circus side-show freakazoids than penises.

A guy feels inadequate and wonders if a bigger dick will fix his problems. One day he runs across an ad with pumps and cylinders and decides to give it a try. When his goodies arrive, he starts pumping irresponsibly and gets the classic problems. It never occurs to him to use lower pressure, shorter times, or maybe to start with a smaller cylinder and pack it first. He buys the 2½ inch cylinder right off the bat and starts pumping away. I think it’s a pretty common mistake out there that a lot of guys are making. Perhaps a “silent epidemic” if you will. You don’t often see it, or hear a lot about it, because it’s a topic that is going to be riddled with shame issues and negative judgements.

I looked at pumping myself a few years back, but after investigating further I had to conclude that it wasn’t for me because all I could find in my web searches at the time was pumpers forums and personal web sites full of guys with the above mentioned freakazoid dicks. Websites with pics of guys showing off penises that look like an oval shaped missile from a 1940’s science fiction movie, and a full sized glazed-donut to match.

“Lookit me!” “I dun this in just three munths… ain’t it neat?” “Pumpin’ werked fer me!”

Guys with grotesque donuts. Guys that cannot get a woman anymore, or very rarely, because they were too big and grotesque. Guys having trouble finding pants that fit, because it is so big and misshapen from overpumping. Next hobby? Sewing 101, with emphasis on designing kilts and skirts. It’s out there and it’s happening. These guys aren’t necessarily stupid, they just lack good information. And of course I realize that some of these guys are trying to fill an emotional void or maybe psychological problem with a bigger dick. But it can, and does, happen to a lot of guys out there. Perhaps we should talk about it, rather than trying to “squash it” and make it go away, further shaming the individual? Knowledge and communication are the keys to wisdom. :)

I think we are very fortunate here at Thunder’s to have such intelligent people, sensible approaches and a community that is so sharing and caring. There is something really special here at Thunder’s that you won’t find elsewhere. Maybe we tend to forget that at times. :)

Peter, just a suggestion, but maybe try sharing your own actions and experiences instead of the vagueries, just put it out there in a more concrete fashion. “I did this and it worked.” “I did that and it didn’t work.” “Here’s how I fixed it.” I don’t know if this makes any sense, but the vagueness kinda comes off one of two ways. 1) You are afraid to hurt everyones feelings, or 2) you are uncertain of yourself or don’t know what you are talking about. It gives people an unclear message and they don’t know quite how to interpret it. Maybe try to be very “clear” about it will help.

Just my thoughts everyone, IMHO.

What he said, too.

Electron probably put it kinder than I did, and kudos to him for that.

However, much of what Peter has been saying is misleading because we are left with gaps unexplained. If Peter could fill them in, we would understand where he is coming from.

Blanket statements do not do the job that way.

Yep

I am one of those people who pumped before hearing about any PE stuff. I bought a pump 14 years ago and started pumping. I had NO idea what to do, just pumped it until my dick was fat, etc. Let’s just say, I didn’t follow any rules and examples here at thunders. At the time, there was no place like this for info. I think back about some of the stupid stuff I did, pumped for 1/2- 45 minutes at a time, the pump didn’t have a gage, so I had no idea of the pressure. I bet I was well over the 10”hg mark. I did this for 3 months, pretty much pumping everyday. I used to get donuts all the time.

I consider myself lucky, I don’t have any negative effects from this past pumping experience. My erections were never effected, my penis is normal. I do get a donut much faster than the average person, i think, because of my past indiscretions. I think back to that time and wish I had a place like this to get information. I am sure I am not the only one who has done this, there are probably many closet pumpers.

Thanks to Thunders Place, when I pump, i use caution and follow common sense rules shared here.

Avocet, may I ask how long you have been pumping? I pumped for close to six years, and I was not an over zealous pumper.

“Meanwhile, I would appreciate it if you would be more up front about your own mistakes in your own pumping career than expressing vagaries which mislead readers”

I did not make many mistakes when I pumped, I am sure that you, in your pumping life time have made big mistakes and do not tell me you have not? All pumpers have those day’s when they try to get the extra mile, so to speak

You said “Many pumpers suffer from serious problems trying to attain an keep an erection” - is total bullshit.”

Now you know if you have pumped for more than a couple of years that when you try to an erection you dick is spongy and feels like a soft balloon. At least it should if you are a veteran pumper, which I assume you are?

I know from my own experience that pumping provides great feeling and is very relaxing, but I do care who you are, if you are a pumper for more than a couple of years you will get a spongy dick.

If you telling these new guy’s that any gains they get through pumping, will be permanent then you are fooling them and your self. Because what you end up with is a spongy cock that makes an erection nearly impossible. I was considered to be a veteran pumper and I prided my self on safety first, but it did not matter how safe I thought I was, I did end up with a spongy cock. It took me about six months to get to a normal erection.

I am just trying to be helpful and provide some light for the new guy’s