Originally Posted by Buckfever
I don’t disagree with most of that and I think it explains why I, being older, experienced outsized gains initially, because I was operating within the range of the “natural” state. As to whether any of those gains are durable, is where I’m less certain and I would conjecture that given a year or more of maintenance there would be cell turnover that would sustain. There is anecdotal evidence of that here.The thing of this “natural state” is interesting to me. Because we know that developmentally there is a genetic component but also a signaling component, which occurs really early I think around 6 months. I wonder if each individual has a genetic potential size distribution. And I wonder if there is a genetic hard limit beyond the “natural state”. That’s one of the things that I find interesting about Kyrpa’s documentation, is whether at some point headwinds are encountered on a macro scale and diminishing marginal returns are realized.
To me there is no fundamental genetic limit within Kyrpa’s approach. The anecdotal limits that you’ve seen on these boards are likely the result of less than optimal protocols. The most critical characteristics of Kyrpa’s approach are the conditioning stretch, the US heat to ~42C, and the cyclical strain beyond the proportionality limit. These factors dramatically reduce the required load. Then it is critical that once those loads aren’t producing any appreciable extension, he must take an extended rest period (at least 3 weeks but I think 6-8 weeks would be better). This is very important and cannot be understated.
The reason all of those aspects are so critical is that although I don’t think there is a genetic limiter, there likely is a friction limiter. IOW, as the cross sectional area increases the required load must increase. Looking through these boards you see reference to the big gainers hanging insane weights and trying to invent ways to attach that much load to the glans. At a certain point there isn’t a realistic way to make that attachment without strangling the glans, stripping the skin off, or blistering the surface. It is thus critical to dramatically reduce the required load. This outcome is actually the main objective within Kypra’s protocol, which means he should be able to theoretically more than double the cross sectional area before running into friction issues.
As practical support for my claims look at a person who gains fat in excess of 40-50% body fat. While the might have organ failure, there is incredible capacity for skin and connective tissue expansion. There doesn’t appear to be a genetic limit until they have a heart attack or develop diabetes. Once they lose the fat, their tissues begin to contract and the body naturally tries to tighten. But at this extreme scale of tissue expansion they will likely never return to the original genetic baseline. I believe the same is true in PE. The largest gainers, if they were to completely stop, would realize some losses within the body’s natural ability and tendency to contract toward the genetic baseline. But once the volume expansion is realized, it shouldn’t take much to keep it.