Manko007's road to big dick land

No worries I am not going anywhere, not with these gains keep on coming ;)

What comes to mind now that I am on P macro phase is 1) stress relax for an hour and 2) manual stretch to induce creep to post bpfsl I phase cycle lengths. This will optimize proliferation into extended state.

Thanks for the brilliant explanation. I always get good ideas from you.

Furthermore, for I phase work I think for creep adaptation it seems best to stress relax, but the time requirement is higher, however I have yet to understand more of creep adaptation to conclude this. Both seems to work anyway with or without stress relaxation component using creep method.

Interesting your plateau is at 2 months. How much time do you spend in PE per week?

In my last cycle of 30 days I had 15 I phase sessions, each session is about 2 hours, setting up, doing sets, etc. Total 30 hours, 1hr a day, or 2hr every other day. about 7 hours a week. Can’t seem to gain 1cm in BPFSL if I don’t put in this much time, although this is just a feeling, maybe less time could accomplish same result.

This last cycle was hard because of time and doubt I cant pass plateau. But every time I seem to pass the plateau, and third time now. I am guessing at some point there are diminishing returns, unless the body replenished the collagen matrix and gains are infinite, lets hope so lol

I’ll have to give that a shot.

The great thing about this is the certainty of gains you get. Before this method I was always wondering if I am just wasting my time. Now time=gains, so I can factor in and control desired expansion.

I think many people have gained with hanging or stretching but they are not sure why it works. I think we are close to an actual recipe for length gains that works every time.

Also my BPEL is now 20.30cm confirmed 99%. And validated actual length from increased NBPEL and visually, and from sex also I can feel bottoming out, whereas before it was an empty void.

That puts me almost in the 8” club, but I measure from pressing under the pubic bone, so by some standards I am still not 8”. I find for this method measure under the pubic bone pressed as much as you could presents the best measurements, which is crucial in measuring progress, and much needed feedback for manipulating the factors of weight x time for I phase cycles.

Still I’ve come a far way from being only 5.8” so pretty stocked with my gains and happy as could be with PE.

Just 0.01” for my ST goal for 2019! And it’s only April woohooo!!

Not sure how I will reach girth goal yet, that is another beast altogether. But I think I will focus on length for rest of the year. Don’t change things that are working, right?

Thinking out of the box here. I have battled this IPR definition back and forth as I feel more and more the whole concept being too binding and forcefully forged to fit PE purposes.
Today I only take the best ingredients of the principles Xenolith and co presented. As the whole thing is originally introduced I find it restricting and impossible to monitor.

It is clear to me that I have this two months frame where I have to put all my efforts before decon break in some form is inevitable. So if still loosely using these IPR titles as a frame my I phase is first 4 to 6 weeks. By the time my BPFSL gains start to dampen and I slip seamlessly to P phase with increasing girth work being my proliferation. At the end you can say in a very loose frame that remodeling should start to take place coming to the pause. At the micro level I guess my three consecutive workout days being combined IP and R being my days 2 days off.

I really like Loading, Lenghtening and Healing being descriptive for what is happening. At the end most determinate for enlargement aspirations should be what is happening at the collagen level. As we have very few tools monitoring these events it is a matter of better guessing anyways. You stretch then plateau and are forced to rest.

To be precise my post exercise BPFSL gains start to stall at 36 days in this period. At previous period my BPFSL and BPEL measured at rest continued to gain the whole 2 months. Based on indications there is no reason to predict otherwise for this period either.
In this period I have put completely 79 hours in 43 days. 24 days working with 19 days of rest. For comparing to your hanging hours I have spend in stretching and extending approximately 63 hours. Gaining 1,4 cm BPFSL and 0,5 cm BPEL with more to come on latter.

There is potential to be enthusiastic for sure. Personally I hesitate to claim any guaranteed recipes yet. I prefer to run these cycles over and over again and gather some data than end up stoned to death in a market place as a false prophet.

I think PE practitioners easily slip to same pothole as many athletes do. There are certain build in heroics on training relentlessly and putting massive hours, excessive volume and great struggles on the way to triumph. Ending up in this falsely build loop many athletes lose their sight on the primary target which is results. If they put all their efforts in increasing weights or cumulative build up on working hours they easily dismiss the indicators which are vital in building up the results to come.

Great. Keep on hammering. As I said earlier this is a year to remembered. This is.

They are two different phenomenon ending up to a same outcome that´s for sure.
If you have to simplify the difference in one sentence then stress relaxation is mostly strain depended and creep is mostly depended on load.
With creep only method also longer decons might be needed as there is greater risk on strengthening your tunica and bringing all the negatives that comes with it. That said we don’t know does it matter that much when using ultrasound to help with the viscoelastic properties time after time.
So as you said you shouldn´t change a thing that is working. For a P phase not depending on creep that much should be productive in long term.

I don’t know about this thickening of the tunica. It seems like the boogeyman of the PE world. It can exist or just a myth or fear.

I loosely apply IPR principles as it helps structure a regime around work, maintenance and cementing, and rest. Other than that, now, knowing what I know, and the experience I’ve had, IPR theory doesn’t really hold true.

But what I have realized recently is that a wall is hit and then one must take a break. And I think this has to do with the maximum attainable gain rate over time.

One can’t possibly gain more than 2cm a month for example. Let’s say based on both our records, 1cm is MAX upper limit BPFSL gain/month. That means to get 1cm you must do X amount of work.

Work/strain = stress relaxation(a) * creep(b)

(a) and (b) are multipliers that can affect the rate of strain. To get to 1cm MAX you can either use more stress relaxation or creep techniques. In our records I think creep via load is faster to attain max gain of 1cm.

Once 1cm gain is attained, there is a “reset” period in my experience. To reset one must rest.

Once the tunica is reset, one can attain 1cm max gain per cycle again via Work/strain = stress relaxation(a) * creep(b)

It seems that this wall for me is simply collagen tissue reaching its maximum stretch and plastic deformation over a give period of time. There is no more possible or potential stretch after this point.

Let’s say this reset time equals 1month. In 1 month 1cm attainability is “reloaded”. So 0.25cm per week is reloaded or attainable.

One can choose to work passed the wall and dance with the “reloading” feature which may or may not budge and produce less than or equal to 0.25cm/week, or one can wait 1 month and start with 1cm attainable stretch again. This reset length can be =<1cm /month as cycles go on if there is diminishing returns. So if so, one must rest longer to achieve 1cm attainable gains.

Hopefully given enough reset/rest one can reset tunica to 0 so that gain rate/month =1cm again. If it doesn’t, then there is permanent diminishing returns to work, the feared “toughening of the tunica”, or just simple nature of the tunica reaching it’s maximum length potential.

I imagine that during R phase or reset period that collagen is reorganized as a # matrix again and able to be elongated again to a == matrix that is plastically deformed in one direction.

Anyway this is what I currently think is happening from my experience.

I agree pretty much with everything you just posted.

The main point is that there is maximal gains for a short period of time. Then hitting the wall is real and there is no point on trying to push through when resting is mandatory.

It comes from collagen level events which we can not alter even with ultrasound.
There are enough theories available already and I am not going to start to fabricate any additional one.

As you said after resting period one can repeatedly reach similar gain rates as previously experienced at least to a certain point. Somewhere along the line they will start to dampen and longer periods of rest should be needed. This is true of course only if one has find the way to grow his unit.

So my thinking about this is that at a particular weight there are fibers that are taking on the load and there are fibers that would be called into taking on the load at a higher weight but instead at the lighter load are undergoing stress relaxation. I think this is why using too much load isn’t as effective as the whole exercise shifts to creep, which there is good data to support isn’t as effective as stress relaxation.

My other suspicion which is completely anecdotal is that if the load is too high such that the exercise is all creep and sustained for too long a time, a mechanism of resistance is triggered. There’s just too much anecdotal evidence to think that doesn’t happen.

I find it interesting that you 2 are very careful to not go over. There’s other stuff too that you guys are doing like the precursor stuff and also the “time” in the stress relaxation or below the max threshold, but I haven’t deciphered that yet.

Let me know if I can help you understand :)

On another note, I’m at 22cm bpfsl but my BPEL is at 20-20.3cm depending on EQ. This 1.7cm gap is unusual usually I only have 1cm gap. I’m gonna do some girth work for a month to see what happens.

My protocol will be once or twice a week girth work via 3 sets of water based US while I’m in the tunica tenderizer Xeno invented. My though process is that the inner expansion via TT pressure will help drive smooth muscle tissue enlarge into 1.7cm available space or 0.7cm available space. The US will allow the tunica to warm up and cede way for this enlargement. Also I plan on taking some cialis/tadalaphil about 10mg or more prior to a session. After a session wear a cock ring to prolong state for various days.

Hopefully this 0.7cm gets caught up to BPEL and I get gain of 0.7cm which will make my BPEL 21cm.

Hi Manko,

Thanks for the excellent information. I noticed on another thread you were aiming for a mushroom head - did you have any luck with achieving this?

My thoughts are that the important thing is to create the gap as that is the precursor and that the gap will close. I think that variations will happen and are way to hard to decipher as it is almost impossible to account for all the factors that will lead to variations in the gap closing. Anecdotally I’m sure that sexual activity is a factor, possibly a measure of the volume of arousal would show a correlation, but who knows. I mean who tracks that with enough specificity?

Let us know if your effort closes the gap, I suspect it will.

The gap as a precursor is in other words the room to grow. Either lenght or girth or both simultaneously for volumetric expansion. When doing PE driven by BPFSL lenghtening it gives the practitioner the possibility for molding it in the direction he chooses to go. Just make this white jacket roomy enough, then grow in it to fill it just perfectly.

And I know he will do it.

Your theory is very interesting. I’m going to save your topic, in a few months I’ll try hanging.

Could you explain about the ideal softening temperature of the tunica. I’m using an IR. I thought the hotter the better.

Yes, exactly a precursor for BPEL growth. Aim for the BPFSL and the rest will come essentially.

I will keep you all posted.