Unnecessarily Complex Plan

Current Length: 6.5in BPEL/6in NBPEL
Current Girth: 5in MEG

Length Goal: 7.5+in BPEL
I want to reach the CDS in missionary. As I will remain a virgin until marriage and obviously have no idea what size my wife will be, I plan to aim for 7.5in BPEL and then fine-tune once I know what I’m dealing with. I also want my dick to be proportional to my body. (It’s a little small compared to my 6 foot 180 pound frame.)

Girth Goal:
I don’t plan to gain any girth yet. I’d rather start out skinnier and surprise my wife with girth gains than start out fatter and have a hell of a time getting it inside the first time.

Timeframe: College

Current Routine (5 days/week):
1)Heat + get erection/lose erection.

2)BTC manual stretching
I started at 2 minutes a day. I will add 1 minute per day every week, thus adding 5 minutes every week.

3)Repeat step 1.

I’ll probably do some hanging at some point (maybe in summers when I have more privacy)

Pardon my overthinking lol. (I’ve read the Newbie Routine, but I like to make my own programs.)

Welcome, Chonky. Forget about trying to size yourself for an eventual sex partner. Do what you want to do—for yourself.

What is CDS? Did you mean LDS?

Cul-De-Sac/Posterior fornix/The bit past the cervix? Female anatomy is very confusing lol. No, I did not mean Latter-Day Saints. That’s not the missionary I was referring to ;) .

Yeah part of me is scared about not being the best possible lover. I know I have to work on that.

Trust thunderplace, many have dedicated themselves to creating routines and methods don’t waste time with adapted routines, do the Newbie Routine.

You will not regret it.

Hey Chonky. Let me tell you brother, you are capable of being a fantastic lover with your current size. In the future this will come down to confidence, learning your lover, and great EQ. Now, as you progress down this path and see gains, it will make you like what you have even more, but you should not be even remotely disappointed with what you got.

I think I was a little bit longer than 6.5 starting out, but this is the first time I’ve reached this line on the ruler, so I’m logging it.

Having some issues with glans irritation (just on the spot where the frenulum attaches). I might change grips or wrap my dick in something before I stretch to avoid this.

Thanks man. I know you’re right, but my brain is really worried about my body not being optimal. It isn’t body dysmorphia - I know I would be great - I just know there are still other men who would be better, and that gives me hella anxiety. I’ve been showing symptoms of mild OCD lately - I wonder how many of us on this site have it? More than you would expect?

Let me tell you something. I have had many close friends who are very well endowed. I do not know how I always end up good friends with guys packing hammers but it happens. And none of them are currently happy. They are all depressed and having a majorly hard period in life right now. A big dick does not solve everything, we think it does, but it does NOT. There is more to you than your penis.

I haven’t been very happy with my measurement technique, but I think I found a more consistent way. (Standing, ruler and dick at 90 degrees, doing a thrusting motion until the pubic bone is no longer slanted relative to the base of the ruler.) Pretty sure I’ve gained less than the quarter inch I measured, but I did gain some, and with this new technique my measurements should be more consistent in the future.

Plastic wrap solved my stretching-causing-chafing problems.

Adding in more stretching angles as I add stretching minutes.

Discovered that I have a mild case of premature ejaculation (caused by kegel spasms). After two weeks of edging practice, I can avoid most of the spasms. Will continue.

On the mental side, my doctor prescribed me guanfacine, because it helps with anxiety and ADHD, and I have both. After a week, my anxiety is greatly lessened. I feel better about my dick as well. Pretty cool.

I don’t see convincing evidence that significant “ligament gains” are possible. (By “significant” I mean “more than like half an inch”) I’ve thoroughly examined the area in question, and no more penis is coming out. My best course of action, then, is to produce more penis.

I will continue manual stretching until I leave for college, in an attempt to lower my erection angle just a bit and thus decrease the risk of my dick snapping off during sex. Maybe I’ll make a bit more ligament gains as well.

When I return from college next summer, I will begin Hanging with FIRe.

If a mod reads this, could you please rename this progress thread to “Phase 1: Ligament Gains”?

Had a discussion in Consensus On Length Gains? where confusion arose about which ligament "ligament gains" is talking about. For clarity, when I talk about "ligament gains" in this thread I mean up-down loosening of the suspensory ligament, resulting in straightening of the inner penis.

Goals for the current cycle (until I leave for college) are 1) have my inner penis be straight when my dick is pointed straight out and 2) get my tunica "newbie gains".

Think I’ll just maintain while at college and hang during the summer.

Still working on my PreE. I never know if I’m going to last 30 minutes or 5 minutes. Gotta fix that. Fortunately I have plenty of time.

Hey Chonky

This is a great thread. You’ve gotten some awesome advice so far - I agree with all of it.

I think your goal is great, and well thought out. That’s an excellent length which should do the trick, and holding off on extra girth is probably wise in your specific scenario.

Regarding performance anxiety, and the fear of not being a great lover, etc: I want to tell you to just have fun. Performance anxiety is a toxic mind game and the more we dwell on it, the more it affects us. Guys around here joke about their penis getting shy when the ruler comes out. It is so much worse when we pressure ourselves to perform great for a new lover, etc. My message to you is that PRESSURE IS TERRIBLE FOR EQ. So don’t put pressure on yourself man. Go into your marriage excited and in love and ready for fun. Approach sex from a “just having fun” standpoint. It will be a long and deep learning experience. The best thing you can do is keep it fun and light (no pressure, no anxiety) and communicate with your partner. It may not feel like much to you in the very beginning, and she will undoubtedly experience discomfort in the very beginning - but it will blossom into a very big and very amazing thing.

Sex is crazy. Women’s bodies are miraculous. They can orgasm at least 5 or 6 different ways physically, basically an unlimited number of times (my wife had 107 the other night - we counted on a tally counter), and I believe they can also experience energetic orgasms, but I have not fully cracked these just yet. I have no idea how many times I’ve had sex, but I’m still learning all sorts of stuff. I’ve been with my wife for 12 years, and if I do some quick math, I’ve probably had sex with her almost 2,500 times. I am STILL unlocking new levels of pleasure in her. Over the last year we’ve slowly stretched and broken-in her backdoor and now she is absolutely begging for it - having whole new types of a-spot orgasms and making deeper moans and sounds she’s never made any other way. Also, once she had an a-spot orgasm, she suddenly figured out how to squirt, so she’s been having these big gushing orgasms too, which are a totally different type of orgasm, with different sensations than a regular g-spot or clitoral orgasm. Sex is crazy. Amazing. Women’s bodies are amazing.

So my message to you is to absolutely 100% forget about performance anxiety and putting pressure on yourself. The best advice I can possibly give you is to go into it excited and ready for fun. Communicate with your girl and keep the mood light and playful. Be patient as she works her way through the initial discomfort, and check in with her to make sure things are working for her (and not just you). As your sexual encounters progress, focus on your control - withholding and delaying your orgasm until she’s had plenty of orgasms and you’re both ready to finish. This control is what separates the men from the boys - and the rock star lovers from the two-pump chumps. Sex, for a man, is 100% about orgasm control - while making your woman lose all control and have a bajillion orgasms. If she has trouble reaching clitoral or g-spot orgasm, dedicate the bulk of your time working with her to figure out her spots and how to make it happen - a lot of women need clitoral stimulation/vibration along with g-spot penetration in order to unlock their g-spot orgasms in the beginning. Don’t be afraid to take little cool-down breaks if you’re getting too turned on/penis too sensitive (and tell her she is so ridiculously hot you’re getting too turned on - she will always take this as a compliment). And if you find your bladder refilling during sex is causing confusing sensations that interfere with your orgasm control, don’t be afraid to take pee breaks (and make it seem like it’s a sex marathon you two are having and tell her to stay busy til you get back!)

Just some key points I learned over time. I hope it goes great for you man. Wishing you luck. Zero pressure on yourself. All fun!

Forgot to mention I had a new girlfriend who kicked me off of her a couple times when she was about to have a g-spot orgasm. She had never had one. She thought she was going to pee on me! I explained to her that the pee sensation switches over and becomes an orgasm but she only half-believed me haha. I told her - look - just go for it. Pee on me. I don’t care at all. Send it!

So she sent it. And became a real big g-spot orgasm enthusiast. She went on to become the best partner I’d ever had, second now only to my wife. Absolute tiger!

If she feels like she’s going to pee, you can try explaining, or you can just tell her you don’t care - tell her to send it! And watch what happens :-)

Hit 7 inches for the first time today, with the help of the most glorious erection I’ve ever had. It was the first time my dick has looked big to me in the mirror.

Sadly during that edging session I was so sensitive that I had to stop every minute for fear of premature ejaculation, so at this point in time I apparently lack the endurance to wield such a mighty blade.

Routine still consists of heated manual stretching (7 minutes a day at the moment) and edging (20 minutes a day).

I’ve been less insecure lately. If I were to describe how I feel it almost feels like I’ve become too lazy to be insecure lol.