Shockwave

Thanks Wacky76 are there any side effects using this?

I am unaware of any downsides from it. With my personal system I’ve tested high energy-large pulse counts with no downside. I’ve also tested “saturation treatments” of 5 days on, rest 2, then 5 more days of treatments. No downside.

Perhaps the only downside is that the unit is noisy so finding a time to use it without others hearing it can be an issue. My wife now knows what it is so I no longer have that issue.

We also use it to treat other issues, like pulled or tight muscles, with good results. Just a side benefit of having it.

No one should use it this way. It is irresponsible to do it and sugggest someone to do so.
Shockwaves with the energy impulses even with the machines we are using
does have the abillity to breakdown healthy collagenous tissue. Instead of having anabolic environment we would be causing chronic catabolic state with this much of use.

Better to keep on the protocols found in papers. And read the papers in the first place.

Krypa good point. One question off point I think, that quote under your stats could you dumb it down for a non technical guy like me?

It is that much off topic that I will be happy to break it down in my log. Gaining volume with kyrpa.

Thanks I’ll check it out.

I dont know what you are talking about as everything I have done has been from reading published papers. The intent from trying different protocols is to determine which one works best for you.

Waiting on your clarification and/or apology Kyrpa.

Clarification. I am talking about this:

“I’ve also tested “saturation treatments” of 5 days on, rest 2, then 5 more days of treatments.”

I am curious to hear from which paper you adapted this treatment . And what kind of energy impulses are used.

And I apologize for coming in harshly, but the thing is ESWT is not a weard massage. It is a highly powerful tool and everyone should understand it.
The usual established practises are not to use it back to back days for long periods as we have seen done in these boards.

If aiming for PE gains the protocol with lesser amount of shocks and the less times we use it in short periods a time, still having the positives would be the best way.

I use my li eswt unit for ED treatment, and occasionally for the stressed or pulled muscle group. All within acceptable protocols. The li is low intensity to differentiate it from other ultrasound machines and applications. This system is not the same ultrasound used to break up kidney stones.

I personally do not think it is a tool which will provide for PE gains. EQ improvement, sure.

How many papers have you read on li eswt applications? I’ve read many, and the tested protocols run the gamut on energy, frequency, pulse counts and application frequency. And surprisingly, they all reported a positive result. There are, or were, some youtube videos on this subject which were interesting. Just because the commercial ED treatment centers have all settled on a given treatment protocol does not mean that alternate treatments are not feasible.

Surely we both have read some piles of papers already and there is no reason to start race about it.
I have expanded the research beyond the ED treatment because more severe problems than modest ED I have encountered and suffered for years.

I have used my machine prior and for recovery from major orthopedic operation very recently.
And continue to use it for post operation recuperation time to time.

Also few rounds of Sirini protocol for ED with modest outcomes if any.

The biggest concern what I want to point out is that energy impulses inside the li-eswt bracket, are high enough to break perfectly healthy collagen in ligaments and tendons, and it most certainly would not be positive outcome on TA for users practising PE.

It has been found out when studying tendons in vivo and are widely cited in newest papers concerning other than ED treatments.

I personally witnessed similar outcomes losing significant amount of BPFSL within only three treatments during the de-conditioning break.

I could have been more clear that the saturation test was at lower energy and pulse counts. I certainly would not recommend 10,000 pulses at the higher range of frequency and energy to be done without rest days in between. I suspect the pain level of trying it multiple days in a row would be so high that the user would stop that program in any case.

My overall point was that I have tested the eswt across the wide spectrum of testing parameters and experienced no downside. The high count/high energy program can leave the penis red and sensitive, but that passes quickly.

When I undertook Gainswave sessions with an MD, I was prescribed a pain reduction lotion to apply before hand. I have never used any with my personal treatments and dont really think it is necessary. Besides, it made my dick turtle up to nothing. The nurse did inform me the turtling was intentional as it was thought to give better treatment coverage.

You’re saying that a nurse handling your cock didn’t make it bigger? :) When I started using mine I figured having a semi would be the most desirable, not a flaccid. I’ll probably keep doing it that way because it feels good. ;)

No such luck. Of course the reason I was getting treated was because I wasnt getting it up at all, but the treatments got me back in action.

I tend to do the same as you and get a little plump for my self treatments.

I’m guessing the smaller the dick the greater area the shockwaves can impact.

Hi 32quarters.

Was wondering what the gainswave protocol is. Number of shocks at what power level and frequency. Plus treatment schedule, days, weeks, months. Break times, anything you remember.

My recollection was twice a week for three weeks, then one month off, after which can continue or stop. I stopped. Pulse count was 3000 per treatment and I estimate frequency of 12-15. I do not know the energy level. I think I recall that dick limpen has a GW treatment protocol on his site, not sure where.

Although the standard treatment was 3000, my doc ran it up to 6000 for one treatment. Seemed like a spur of the moment decision and not a part of the protocol.