DMSO + Iodine Experimental Treatment for Deflated Glans and Firm Flaccid

Wow huge indepth discussions of dmso are here..

http://www.peyr oniesforum.net/ … topic,39.0.html

Biologically that sentence doesn’t make much sense…

DMSO and Peyronie’ disease:
"DMSO - As is most alternative treatments, the use of dimethyl sulfoxide or DMSO in treating Peyronie’s Disease is controversial. Although DMSO is used in some medical treatments in the USA; it is for the most part not used by American doctors. Doctors in Russia as well as other European countries, commonly use DMSO in treating a wide variety of medical ailments. DMSO is a transdermal agent; meaning it has the ability to penetrate the skin and underlying tissue and the ability to carry many other substances deep into the tissue. This includes contaminants that could be on the hands. In the use of treating PD, DMSO is used as a carrier. By far, the most common form of using DMSO to treat PD is called "Thacker’s Formula.” It is strongly recommended that those interested in using DMSO read all the posts on the forum listed under the thread Thacker’s Formula as well as the current thread on DMSO. DMSO itself is known to have a very low toxic level. Like many treatments, no studies have been done to measure the efficacy rate of using DMSO to treat PD. However, there have been anecdotal reports of everything from excellent improvement to no improvement at all.

As stated before, the use of DMSO for therapeutic applications is controversial, but some evidence

indicates that DMSO has anti-inflammatory properties and alleviates pain when applied to the skin.

These effects have been reported particularly with connective tissue diseases. DMSO applied to the

affected area appears to reduce pain by inhibiting transmission of pain messages by nerves and may

also soften the abnormal connective tissue associated with disorders such as Dupuytren’s

contracture, keloids, Peyronie’s Disease, and scleroderma."
http://www.peyr oniessociety.or … alternative.htm

They discuss also Enzymes and Acetil-L Carnitine. Notice that, all things considered, the only proved effective treatment is heat therapy.

There are decades of incontrovertible evidence of DMSO’s ability to penetrate and dissolve scar tissue. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of what DMSO can do. I read this before using it:
http://www.amaz … /dp/0895295482/

It can be an effective agent just by itself. However, coupled with iodine (nascent iodine in my case), it has proved to be effective more rapidly than I could have hoped. I never had anywhere near the same rapid response from the Thacker’s formula. Others have had success with Thacker’s and have reported similar results as I have had with my formula, only their’s took a lot longer, was a lot messier and a lot stinkier.

Venomx: that DMSO is very weak, only a 25% concentration in a gel. Try to get a 99.9% pure liquid that you can mix with liquid iodine.

Today I applied it again, and within a couple of hours I felt a very minor discomfort at the site of a 26 year old injury, kind of like a scab was very slooooowly being peeled off, but deep inside the tissue. I had treated it well back then during the initial healing with vitamin E and the outside healed perfectly with no visible scar or other sign of injury, but inside there was obviously enough damage to compromise the micro-capillary blood flow in the spongy, hydraulic tissue unique to the penis. It is definitely getting better and better. My head (you know, the one us guys really think with) hasn’t felt this spongy and resilient and full in years! I’m having a little trouble leaving it alone actually ;)

Heat therapy is also very important and will accelerate this process still more. For that, here is an amazing product I use:
Shin Bio Heat Packs
It is a fully reusable, portable heat pack from Australia. A simple silicon pouch of sodium acetate which heats up fast when you snap the little metal concave disc inside the solution. The smallest pack stays hot for over 30 min (bigger sizes even longer) and requires no power and never wears out. As it cools off, the liquid will slowly turn into a semi-solid. To prepare for reuse you just boil the pouch for 10 min until the contents are liquid again. Then let it cool and it’s ready to use again immediately, next month, next year, or next decade - indefinite shelf life, unlimited cycles and always ready with instant, dry, convenient heat, and it does get hot. I use the Sports heat pack. I know I sound like I sell the product but I don’t, I just wish I did. But someone already has the distribution rights for Canada.

x10d - Then show us the evidence. Show us studies. Show us something peer reviewed, show us something that is not a random forum post or hippy blog post. So far what ‘evidence’ has been shown in this thread has been quite the opposite of incontrovertible.

With regards to the heat packs, I was under the impression that heat packs made with concentrated sodidum acetate had a max temperature of 56 degrees celsius, which is too hot for extended use on the penis.

I’ve never liked the idea of using any kind of pain killer for PE. You don’t know if you’ve gone too far until it’s too late.

It’s not my intent to reproduce the weight of evidence for DMSO in this thread about healing penile blood flow. But I wanted and have given a good starting reference for people to begin doing their own research and provided my own personal evidence as a possible eye-opener. No one has your interests at heart like you do (least of all corporate-controlled western medicine) and each of us has our own personal responsibility to research our own health choices. I have used DMSO for various purposes for over 18 months now, after availing myself of the published research, and have personally verified some of it’s many non-toxic benefits.

I will add this though: the phrase “peer-reviewed scientific evidence” in the context of western medicine today is mostly code for officially sanctioned propaganda put out, directly and indirectly, by big-Pharma which has no interest other than promoting it’s own patentable, huge-margin products. Do not expect any big business to lay out the multi-millions necessary to produce what the Pharma-owned and operated FDA would allow as such evidence. DMSO is a naturally occurring, cheaply produced compound found in wood pulp and so is not patentable. (Patent laws are devolving annually though and, should it become patentable, you will then see DMSO miraculously emerge from the shroud of corporate self-interest as a super-expensive, ‘new’ medicine.) Where there is no huge, proprietary profit potential there will be no expensive efforts made to lobby for it’s broad application in western medicine. Having said that, there remains decades worth of astounding, clinical, scientific proof for the efficacy and non-toxicity of DMSO, but one must do their own legwork. Corporate mass media and big-Pharma are not going to just hand it to you on the evening news or in your Pharma-educated doctor’s office the way they churn out non-stop propaganda about their own, patentable, artificial products.

DMSO, like all natural therapies, gets almost zero positive mass media attention, but if you search on YouTube you will find a 60 Minutes piece from the 70’s where it’s primary researcher, Dr Stanley Jacobs, and a few patients, are interviewed. Back in the 70’s the mass media door was still cracked open enough to permit some discussion of natural medicine now and then, outside of the Pharma-FDA-AMA muzzle. Now only a dim keyhole view remains, as far as the mass media goes anyway. Thank goodness for independent publishers and individuals who share what they know, not for their own gain, but for the untainted benefit of others.

The title of this thread relates specifically to dealing with damage already caused to the penis. I empathize with guys who have experienced this. That is my situation and that is why I posted my experience in healing such damage here. While one of DMSO’s many properties is analgesic, I am not advocating that one should soak in DMSO to deaden any pain so that one can then engage in even more strenuous PE. Let me say it for the record: do not use DMSO as a means to numb yourself for the reckless endangerment of your beloved penis.

The sodium acetate heat packs do get hot, and common sense will tell you (and so will the instructions), that you adjust this by simply wrapping the pack, or your package, in a hand towel for insulation. I just set it on my lap, over clothing or a towel, while I’m working at my desk and get all warmed through and nicely relaxed while using the time for something else (usually research) thus bypassing the time consuming process of using hot, wet towels, hot showers, or even electric heating pads (which I avoid because of their electro-magnetic effects). For me, the less time and effort a protocol requires, the more apt I am to be consistent with it.

In summary, you have zero evidence.

Updates?

In terms of your anti-establishment beliefs and praise of independant (unsanctioned) sources, I pretty much agree. That being said, when there is ‘medically established-peer reviewed’ studies available, there’s certainly no harm in citing them to help establish a point, which is what I have attempted to do in the following, which I hope addresses some of boner's concerns :)

DMSO

I hope I’m not wrong in stating that we all understand DMSO has a very powerful ability to penetrate skin/tissue/cell membranes, and that what’s unclear is its scar dissolving properties.

"Therapeutic and toxic agents that are not soluble in water are often soluble in DMSO…Properties that are considered to be particularly important to its therapeutic and toxic effects include: its own rapid penetration and enhanced penetration of other substances across biologic membranes…
http://www.ncbi … /pubmed/3510103

Proposed explanation:

"It has been suggested that DMSO (1) removes much of the lipid matrix of the stratum corneum, making holes or artificial shunts in the penetration barrier; (2) produces reversible configurational changes in protein structure brought about by substitution of integral water molecules; and (3) functions as a swelling agent … ."
[Amdur, M.O., J. Doull, C.D. Klaasen (eds). Casarett and Doull’s Toxicology. 4th ed. New York, NY: Pergamon Press, 1991., p. 61] **PEER REVIEWED**

One human study I found showed that topical application of DMSO helped in the healing of skin ulcers/hardening caused by sclerosis. Now sclerosis works by pathogenically increasing the amount of connective tissue on the affected site (fibrosis). So I think this is an indication that DMSO can assist in the dissolution of scar and aberrant connective tissue, at least in skin-related fibrosis.
http://www.ncbi … /pubmed/6576688

There is also some (vaguely related to our purposes) studies that suggest DMSO, via its established anti-inflammatory effects can prevent and/or reduce ‘adhesions’ (in this case, pathogenic joining of cells (including fibrosis)to one another due to inflammatory and healing processes)
http://www.ncbi … pubmed/15253075

It has been used medically to treat abdominal adhesions in humans which were the result of stomach surgery.
http://www.ncbi … /pubmed/9290192

Iodine

Well I finally made it to Iodine but now I can’t really be bothered, there’s quite a bit of information on iodine’s effects but to find anything in relation to fibrotic scar healing you have to sort through an incredibly large amount of information relating to thyroid diseases, which I’m not going to do right now. I did, however, find a few things

It’s only a case report since I can’t access the full report I can’t comment on the power of its scientific methods used, but since it’s on pubmed, it’s probably not too shabby. The report basically says that topical iodine successfully regenerated a number of old and new scars that the subject had incurred.
http://www.ncbi … pubmed/19168293

There’s another study, somewhere (but I lost it), which showed that betadene (iodine) reduces scar formation after woud-type injuries.

Thoughts

Finally, of course, we have x10d's case report itself. Now I try to be weary of miracle cures, and x10d’s report does edge on the side of miracle, since his results sound so good. Few things to keep in mind though. Since there is a lack of reliable studies to say one way or another and the science is shakey - since no one really knows exactly how DMSO works at a cellular level let alone what it might do in combination with iodine - we can’t be sure what’s really going on here. Also, though x10d has described similar symptoms as originally described in his thread, he has described them as due to a cumulation of injuries and healings over a long time, which I think may, possibly, be a different cause to what some (including myself) have experienced from a relatively short time with either PE or some other related injury. So all this is speculation anyway.

At the very least, I don’t believe iodine with DMSO, even applied directly to the penis, would be particularly dangerous (though I’d not do it immediately prior to PEing!). There’s plenty of user reports who’ve had no adverse health concerns as a direct result of DMSO. And topical (or otherwise) iodine is certainly not dangerous, so (since we’re talking about atomic/nascent iodine), I feel it’s unlikely a solvent like DMSO combined with iodine would have any unexpected/unwanted interactions.

So I think I’ll give it a shot 7:^) , a fair amount of DMSO can be gotten for under $10 and the iodine isn’t too much more on Amazon or if you search around on google for ‘nascent iodine’.

My nascent iodine, magnesium oil and DMSO are here, gonna give x10d’s ‘treatment’ a go for a while. Just did first application, no apparent worries, not even getting the much complained about garlic taste many report.

Followed x10d’s report exactly:

Washed hands, penis and all impliments with disinfectant handwash.

Mix: 12 drops DMSO + 8 drops I + 4 drops Mg

3 drops of mix applied to glans and under foreskin (while retracted) and spread around. 4 drops of mix applied to base/shaft and spread around.

In response to: biff7686 - Deflated Glans/Firm Flaccid/V. Hard Shaft Possible Venous Leakage

Excellent find TS, this is almost like a ‘breakthrough’ article for me. It’s the first mention I’ve seen of actual concentration from the established medical community at examining this problem. I’d be very interested to know when this was written, did you notice a date for it?

This is the most interesting part of the article for me:

“There is “failure to store” soft glans syndrome. In this condition, fibrosis of the erectile tissue within the corpus spongiosum results in poorly expandable erectile tissue and an inability to provide sufficient compressive pressure on the sub-tunical venules and veno-occlusive dysfunction. Fibrotic spongiosal erectile tissue can occur with vascular risk factor exposure, blunt perineal trauma or surgical injury after urethroplasy or associated with penile prosthesis implantation. “Failure to store” soft glans syndrome may also result after iatrogenic shunts have been performed such as associated with ischemic priapism treatment.”

It fits with a number of the ideas we’ve discussed in this thread. I’m seeing my GP tomorrow, I’ll bring this segment along with me, see what she thinks.

It does make me wonder if whether x10d’s report is indeed repeatable. If the cause is indeed fibrotic scarring and the iodine/Magnesium/DMSO treatment can, as suggested, ‘dissolve’ fibrotic tissue then it’s feasible that it could be an effective treatment. I haven’t had a chance to further apply this method, yet.

I just want to give thanks to x10d for his DMSO formula because it’s probably the only thing that I know of that actually had a great impact on the overall health of my penis. After 2 weeks or so of using the DMSO+iodine formula I noticed a great improvement on my shaft and head just like x10d described.My EQ was firmer and my glans went from mushy to full and shiny as well.The only difference is that I used Lugol’s iodine instead of the more potent nascent iodine. So overall I believe that anyone who has suffered from some type of PE injury should at least give DMSO+iodine a try to see if it works for you. Especially to any of you guys who still suffer or had suffered from firm flaccid penis or venous leakage just like I have.

Well spank my balls and call me Charlie. I tried it for a few days and gave up. Time to give it another shot methinks.

Thanks for sharing jrwriter, you’re the first person apart from x10d to say this treatment works. Could you describe your method of application a bit more fully? Like how much you used, how you mixed the iodine/DMSO, how often you applied, where you applied, washing afterwoods, etc.

Also, since you’ve noticed the improvement, did you change any other ‘penis-related’behaviours’?

Thanks :)

Hey no problem Tweak, basically I just pretty much followed x10d’s guidelines.What I did was I mixed 16 drops of DMSO with 8 drops of iodine(Lugol’s) and I would apply that two times a day, one in the morning and 1 before I went to sleep. So in all the whole solution will consist of 32 drops of DMSO and 16 drops of iodine but looking back at it all I would not recommend anybody using that much DMSO for the first 2-3 weeks(until you build a tolerance for it) because of the side effects of using this protocol. The problem is that if you going to use this protocol, be prepared for the chance that your dick might BURN/STING and ITCH like hell lol.That’s why I would recommend that instead of using 16 drops of DMSO, that you should cut back to at least 12 drops of DMSO and mixed that with the 8 drops of iodine.

Now one thing I would say is that you have to be very careful when you messing with DMSO, so that’s why I only applied this protocol right after I took a shower so I can make sure my whole body was clean before using it. Below I’m going to list the steps the that I took before and after I use this protocol since it will be easier to write it this way.

1.After I took a shower I made sure my whole body was completely dry and clean(especially my penis) before applying anything

2.Then I made sure that whatever I was using to mix the protocol was also clean and rinsed out. In my case I used a dropper and small cup to mix everything.

3.After I made sure everything I was going to use was clean, then I proceeded to make the solution. I will first put in the DMSO and then after I would add the iodine. Then I would make sure I moved the cup a bit so that everything will be mixed in.

4.Then I would immediately start to apply the solution on my penis. I made sure I put like 3 or 4 drops on my head and spread it around with the dropper. Then I would put some drops on my shaft and my base and spread it around until my whole dick was covered.Then I would just continue doing that until I used up the whole solution

5.Then after I finished up the solution and applying everything, I would make sure I cleaned up the space and everything else I was using and then I will just let the solution dry by itself and made sure I didn’t touch my dick or anything until the solution had completely dried off.

Now as far as penis related behaviors.I pretty much tried my best to leave my penis alone for at least 2-3 weeks so that my penis could heal properly.So that means I did no PE,masturbation or sex whatsoever within that time frame.Also another thing I would suggest is that people should do like 2 or 3 day ON and 1 day OFF so you can at least give your dick a one full day break.

Other than that that’s about everything. I hope that this protocol works out for you guys like it did for me :)