I have lost everything after PE with LG hanger

I didn’t say that, I said I don’t understand, hence ” it’s a mystery”

Not for me and medicine.

You pull the penis, you also pull nerves, that is one of the most fragile structures there, especially the smaller ones.
So… stretching…demyelization (showed in my eletroneuromiography)…and sensitive and motor damage.

Nerves are much tougher than most people think, especially peripheral nerves who are built to take the abuse it’s owner gives them.

Say it to my exams and neurologist.

The trouble with that argument is that Doctors, surgeons and urologists are recommending stretching devices for post ligament surgery and pyronies treatment.
Here’s one example.

Quote, The most surprising finding of the study, though, was that it appeared to improve erectile function by a clinically meaningful amount,” Dr. Trost told Urology Times.

You’ve just been incredibly unlucky.

This is a very small randomized study, only, not a recommendation.
And even for a so short time (3 months), It was already seen initial “sensory changes”.

When my injury happened, I aaked to one of the best urologists that I saw about “If what I did could give this kind of injury, why they prescribe extenders?”

He said this is being less and less prescribed because of long-term damages in vascular and neurological system, now almost only for some pos-prostectomy cases.
He said “in the beggining it looks beautiful and possibly helpful, but after some months a lot of side effects come…”

Again that’s one urologists opinion against the experience of many thousands of extender users and hangers across various forums over nearly 20 years,
the vast majority of whom have had no ill effects.

Why don’t you have a look at the Angion method ?
Loads of guys claim it’s helped their ED.

There is absolutely no real and serious statistics about the outcomes of this “vast majority” of men that have performed any PE method, and most of them are out of foruns, and you know that, Copernicus.

Even if for example if my case was part of an study like that, after 3 months I would be one of the guys reporting to be ok, good outcomes, etc; if I had measured my penis maybe I could even report some gain.
More 3 months done…and I am impotent…

I can try this method, but my problem is neurogenic, not vascular, and in pelvis, not so much in the penis.

How can you claim to know anything about people who don’t participate in forums if there are no “real statistics” ?

The same way you claim that the vast majority of whom have performed PE had no ill effects.

Wrong, My claim is based on the proportion of on average 300,000 members self reporting problems ( admittedly not perfect ) over some 20 years on this forum and a similar amount on 2 others.

So where do your claims come from ?

Wrong, your claim is based not on 300,000 men, but only on who post and report something in here, a very small part of this forum, and only this forum.

Maybe most of them are not even perfoming PE, we simply don’t know. They are just members, a lot of them accessing sometimes, etc. This means nothing.

What you are doing is: “I see less posts of injury here than cases of success, so the risks of PE should not not be so high, if done, and most in here says, “correctly”.

This is a very, very, very limited and particular PERCEPTION, nothing else. And absolutely not enough to say that serious injuries are only exceptions, unlucky cases, etc.

We see for example cases of HF being more and more reported out or here, medical articles coming about this syndrom in the last years, etc. Why? Have you ever thougth about this?

The same urologist has mentioned to me: “you are not an exception, I have seen many similar cases”.

Are they here in this forum?
Probably not.

You clearly don’t read.
I never said my claim was based on 300,000, I said a proportion of that number who self report problems, that’s not the same is it.

Here’s something else to read.
Are you aware that previously banned members who are discovered signing up again under a new name will be banned ?

And they say I like to argue? Well I actually do.

How many people die each year taking a simple drug like penicillin due to an allergic reaction and going into shock? Thousands. They may not be allergic to he drug in the past but one day whammo. Same thing can be said about aspirin, shellfish etc. Thousands of people die each year due to surgery that was done well but things didn’t work out. It’s called surgical risk; the operation was a success but the patient died. Things can be done as well as they can be but it just didn’t work out. No fault, no blame it just happens. It’s the exception not the norm but it happens.

Let’s say this guy did everything right and he got a bad result. Okay I feel bad for him but it happens. Do we no longer use penicillin because some people die while taking it? No the good outweighs the bad.Do we stop any or all PE because some have a bad result? No. If and when that bad result becomes the norm okay time to do something about it but until then those, and they are the minority, that get hurt well it’s sad but it happens, even if they did everything right.

I don’t have to talk about nerves to them; I said it to you. If you don’t think peripheral nerves are pretty damn tough than you know nothing about the human body and I for one don’t want to take the time to explain it to you.