Quitting PE 2 years in On Iffy Terms

Hello all.

Please bear with the fact that I wanted to post this in the injury section, but my membership limitations have landed me in this section of the forums instead.

I’m age 33; I eat healthy (including supplements) and exercise regularly (weights, yoga, and occasional biking, mindful bike saddle for my perineum).

I have been doing PE for about 2 years, with 1 year to 1.5 years ~cumulatively~ of PE being done with consistency.

I formally quit PE as of today (this would have been the day to resume PE in my schedule after two days off). I decided last night.

Yesterday was a masturbation day (first time cumming in over a week, which is normal for me per my disciplined nature paired up with PE), and hours on in the day [after cumming], there were some irregular sensations on/throughout my penis in the day that I noted, though none of which were painful. That all is not that uncommon of me. For what it’s worth, I do have a history of prostatitis or some kind of prostate/urinary issue (saving you all from me delving into that subject, but I plan to get it straightened out once and for all, freaking hopefully, as I’m still quite young).

This post, my query, is directed to those who have the proper insight from firsthand experience or secondhand experiences of those others who have decided to stop PE on concerning terms. Concerning, as in - some physical gains have been made, but unfortunately, as it is in my case, the overall EQ/physiological indicators (PIs)/sensitivity factors have wavered towards a negative, over the span of doing PE (I was stupid and ignored PI indicators fairly early on, I’m sure of it).

My positive report:
- Noticeably more girth; not a lot, not a little, more flaccid and some while erect.
- Slightly noticeably longer, definitely flaccid and some while erect.
(I fully suspect both length and girth gains will subside to some degree, based on other times of me pausing PE)
- I’m not in any actual pain in my penis or genital area (big positive).

My neutral report:
- Along my natural upward curve, there’s a ~deviation~ in the upper 1/4 quadrant of my penis; basically the penis natural curve is rounded up, ~up until~ a point where it angles up more intensely. This developed to my knowledge/awareness sometime in January of this year (2020).
- I have had some great morning woods in the last 2-3 weeks (and variable ones in the past), BUT -what makes it more of neutral report- I’m unfortunately not sure how PE has affected some of them.. And I don’t know if stress is just getting to me or not. On a related note, one thing I largely wonder about: Seeing how jelqing has caused my penis veins to be bigger, but my PIs are not so great, does that not mean that there’s an imbalance somewhere in terms of blood flow? It’s hard for me to word properly what I mean by that. Something about blood retention, though. Supply and demand. Basically, I have to wonder if I might need some degree of some PE exercises in the future for any help to the current state my penis is in, should my penis not go back to even some of the way it was, before PE. I have to wonder if the constant days in a row of PE created the better penis blood flow at times, like in the morning, for example (I had some serious ‘diamond cutters’ not that long ago). Not my penis ‘naturally’, per se.
- I’m guessing this is a negative report: dorsal vein seems kind of bigger.. I don’t know what that means. If it means an affected area (injury), or not. I think it’s grown to be that way somewhere along with PE, but I just attributed it to a positive. Now, I’m not so sure.

My injury or negative report:
- One irritated lymph vessel on left side: mostly healed now (the affected vessel is slightly hardened still, but not a guitar cord like thing it used to be, thankfully). Just for the record, this is not a vein issue, folks, let it be known. Lymphocele. Much of PEGYM tried to shove the vein theory down my throat. *smh*
- Some spider veins: near the top, below the glans, particularly on the sides and underside. That sucks, but oh well. It could be worse: there could be much more than there are.
- Overall penis sensitivity: noticeably lessened; I have to work at getting REALLY hard, no doubt harder than I used to (I feel like that much older due to the fact I cannot remember how I used to be), and the erection doesn’t seem to stay as long as it should. This is obviously my main area of concern right now and going forward.

Key report: I was in bed with a girl early February of this year, making it the first time in about 2 years with a girl (I.e. First time about to have sex 1.5 years into starting PE), and I was unable to really get it up for vaginal sex. I could get hard during the blowjob, but my penis wouldn’t stay hard for penetrative sex. It is worth noting that this girl was brand new to me, as was also the nature of a quicker moving sexual engagement (normally I get to know the person), but let’s be real, folks: I had been coming from quite a long dryspell, I’d never been more sexual in my mind than in all of that dryspell (especially with increasing my penis size on my brain, and all the subsequent horn thoughts to follow). So this ED should not have happened, certainly at least not to this extent. After this sex engagement (the same girl and I tried a second time, too, to no real difference - if anything it was worse than the first), I began to have real, true doubts about me doing PE. Understandably.

I will be going to a urologist (one who’s not dense on the matter) in the near future to check up on everything, including but not limited to taking a cavernosogram and hormone test. Probably after the coronavirus subsides some.

The query is basic: What things should I be doing and not be doing to allow my penis to heal?

The things I’ve wondered about..

- Should I apply vitamin E oil to my penis regularly? Any other oils/creams I should be aware of?
- Should I seek any prescription medicine? What about “Verapamil” that I’ve heard of?
- Should I “heat wrap” with a rice sock regularly? What about cold therapy?
- Should I continue kegeling? Reverse kegeling?
- Should I buy a quality red light to expose my penis to?
- Should I be looking at supplements such as Acetyl-L-Carnitine (“ALCAR”) for purported nerve healing benefits and L-Lysine for tissue health? Any other supplements I should be aware of?
- Should I continue to wear the Stealth Innerwear in this time of stopping PE? It’s what my penis is used to, after all, for about a year.
- Should I routinely view porn without touching myself? While engaging only ‘mentally’ (so to arouse myself). This is a curious one. I stopped viewing porn for PE (albeit with a lot of struggling at times). But, truthfully, I’m inclined to resume some aspect of using porn in this new phase for me.
- Should I suspend myself from masturbation for a week and note the progress (while doing any other recovery methods)? Take it to two weeks, etc.?

I think the fact that I was so inconsistent at certain times over my course of PE was actually somewhat of a saving grace to where I am now - inconsistent in my PE schedule or more so in my technique (or lack thereof). Also, the countless times I’d find myself edging more than actually jelqing, when I intended to just jelq. I wonder what, in my case, caused more of where I am now. The manual stretching or jelqing.

Ideally, I’d like to keep my gains as much as I can, so it wasn’t all for nothing, but I don’t care about the gains if it means less of a recovery to the inner structures of my penis. All of the anatomical terms inside, those that I do not know.

Thank you all in advance for any help or earnest advice.

I will update this thread with how my penis fares from here on out.

Anyone reading in on this who’s thinking about starting PE, that has an already-healthy penis (for all intents and purposes): Become extremely noteworthy of how your penis looks and feels to the touch in the present day, the present moment, on what is day 0 (flaccid state and erect) of you with PE. Truly, literally anything that comes to your mind, I want you to descriptively write that all down, look it over, and keep that log current/up-to-date as you start your PE journey, should you really want to begin it.

The accuracy in your notes and increased self-awareness will save you from very serious stress, and prevent you from incurring potentially very real damage done to your penis (permanent damage or temporary). Damage and injuries CAN happen to you, you’ve seen the posts that scare you, the thread titles, etc. Please just sincerely know that you are not excluded from having a “whoopsie”. I don’t care about your doubts (“Can’t happen to me”), and neither does your penis.

You are doing something new and not very natural to your penis’ normal way of simply being. You either will perform the exercises safely and wisely in how you react to your penis’ reactions to the exercises, or you will fall short, and pay for it somehow. Be smart. Trust your gut as you go through the new endeavor that is PE. The keenness of your gut also will develop more and more as you move forward, so keep in check with it.

PE can work good for you, maybe even exceptionally good, or it might be a mistake. Safety first in anything you decide to do. It cannot be stressed enough.

Follow the guidelines you find online to a tee, keep a log, be smart, know it’s going to take a long while (but do so many things in life you want).

If you want to PM me for anything based on my story above, please feel free. I’ll try to check in here weekly (or maybe I’ll just set up e-mail notifications).

I tried to drill into this and figure out your question, and I think it’s: How do I heal? The answer always is: Lay off it (PE, touching, masturbation, etc.). Always far more powerful for healing that vitamin E, red lights, and rice socks.

Take a few months off. Sounds like you’ve been too hard on it. And start taking some measurements so you don’t have to quote your growth as not a lot and not a little. You need data like writing down your physiological indicators as well as gains and exercise routines in order to assess if your routine is excessive or even working.With some time off that sensitivity will probably come back.

Thanks, you two. I appreciate any time taken, be it for comments, questions, or constructive criticism. Much appreciated.

I will measure up flaccid and erect today! Great reminder.. Somehow it didn’t cross my mind (well, not surprising as I wasn’t one to measure much at all, though I have more than a few times in all of this PE span).

Also.. Steinroid - your avatar makes me happy.. *ommmmmmmmmmm* :O

Some things I forgot to mention in my original post..

1) I am uncircumcised/uncut.

My neutral reports:
- Like my aforementioned [superficial] dorsal vein being a bit bigger, I do have prominent veins on the right side, one in particular, it’s quite bigger. This side vein, like the superficial dorsal vein—they’re not hard to the touch or painful.

My injury or negative reports:
- My penis glans/head is on the paler/light pink side. Nothing alarming, it’s not white. However, what IS more clear as being pale and with hints of that not-good “blue” is the edge/rim of the base of the head. That just mildly concerns me. At times it’s more so visible than other times. I can truly not recall how I looked before PE. Hopefully that’s mostly a statement of indifference.

I will say though, on the subject of color, it’s made me wonder if I felt like my shaft skin was getting darker or it was my head/glans that was gradually losing some red tone in favor of a pink (even though, yes - I’m aware jelqing typically causes darkening of the skin, the Firegoat Roll tool has been effective on me). Anyways, the whole subject of glans color is a non-issue when I’m hard, as far as I care to say.

- One half dime size dark spot on glans head, appeared within the first 3 months of PE (so, around August of 2018): virtually totally healed/disappeared in December sometime (like barely I can make out where it was without trying to pretend I’m seeing it). For whatever reason, that took some time to clear up (I’d lost hope). However, I’m not 100% that’s a great sign as that’s around the time I feel like my overall negative PI’s started to hit their max in being tested by my PE approach. I can’t help but wonder if it “healing” (disappearing) is a comment to things related to blood flow in the head.

- Slight raised “band” appearance from side to side just beneath the rim/edge/bottom of the glans head, in the really thin layer of skin that exists there. I hate that I’m mentioning it out loud somewhere for the first time, but that did appear sometime mid or later last year. Like September? I had to look into Penile Mondor’s disease.. To maybe rule something out. I’d be willing to share a pic of this area with a seasoned pro on here.

As of this posting, I am going to cease wearing the Stealth Innerwear. Call it weird timing or just my awareness to it not (or my size as of lately), but even the bigger size of Stealth Innerwear I have is causing slight purple hue in the skin tone of the foreskin while in use.

I took a nice hot Epsom bath earlier, followed by a cold shower, which I’ve started doing in the last two weeks for mental health more than anything. Although I’m not sure if I should do cold showers in this early PE-suspension period (of observing how my penis fares from being inactive, when blood flow is the matter).

How’s your sleep schedule?

I would safely place sleep as the most important PE factor, either to grow or to heal.

Good question (and I’m not just saying that). And what you say is absolutely the truth, more than I even know yet, at my age. And yet, at my age by now, I just know that I don’t like staying up late (I’m a morning person), I loathe where my head ‘goes’ the next day.

My sleep schedule is not in perfect or close-to-perfect shape currently, but it’s not a C letter grade either. Something like a B rating. It’s actually ramping up lately in terms of quality. Truly ramping. Measures put in place. Pets stay out of my room as I sleep. Good white noise or drone effect lightly playing. Magnesium bisglycinate supplement if not also paired with a valerian root beforehand. A small glass of red wine is a recent addition, consumed 2-3 hours before sleep.

The worst thing that tends to get me on the sleep front is waking up in the middle of the night, or waking up too early. Both don’t happen every night or that often really, and it’s not the hardest thing in the world to return to sleep.. Unless I have really positive thoughts keeping me up, ironically (weirdly happened two mornings ago, so I gave in and just got up to put some of that creative thinking to use).

Life stress is another factor lately, but I’m managing the stresses quite well, if that makes sense. Mostly I am quite preoccupied with my life’s necessities, while simultaneously implementing new processes/hobbies in the mix.

But yeah, even in regards to where I stand now with my unit/penis, at this juncture of ceasing what I’ve been doing for a long time (PE), I’m not stressing out.. Not at the present time. I do possess hope.

I just want to ask this not because I don’t believe it cant be something physical like overtraining or other factors but because I think it’s necessary to consider. In your own opinion do you think that it could be at ALL attributed to a mental and not a physical issue?

The thing that stands out to me when reading your post and replies is just how MUCH you’ve seemed to let PE and your dick consume you mentally. This isn’t a bad thing to say, but rather it seems that you’re so pre-occupied with your penis between the workouts, the supplements, everything else stated, and in addition to that, you haven’t been sexually active for over a year… so its been quite literally been only you and obsessing over your little guy for that time, that I think it’s worth considering this as a major factor in this apparent ED. We as a community need to remember that ED is an extremely common problem among men, and most commonly its a result of something mental and can come and go simply day by day for no apparent reasons. It is not always a result of training, injuries or some cruel joke of God. I actually find it interesting that after two apparent cases with this girl you’ve jumped online and compiled a hefty list of factors and solutions that no doubt took some time and obsession to compile. Again, I’m not saying this is inherently bad or an issue in of itself, but it gets me thinking that you have let this issue consume you deeply which no doubt has some sort of mental repercussions regardless of the initial cause. My advice… don’t overthink it right now, don’t let two meetups consume you mentally, and depending on the terms you and this chick are on; if you meet up again LIVE IN THE MOMENT. You said you were hard when she was blowing you? Take that and enjoy it, don’t worry about how hard or big your dick is while you’re hooking up. Focus on her, and the sensations and just be in that moment and nothing else and you might just find that it was nothing more than a fluke.

Just as some anecdotal evidence for you on this matter and what I mean, when I was about 21 I started hooking up with this bombshell who would then later be my girlfriend of a few years. The first 2-5 times we hooked up I had every issue imaginable, I couldn’t get or stay hard to save my life… and by the time I did, I would make it maybe 5 minutes before I wanted to blow my load. I was completely shaken… ED and Premature Ejaculation? FUCK. Not to mention this was completely out of character for me, I was actually still hooking up with two other girls I worked with and had ZERO issues with them… like none. Hard as a diamond and could fuck for a night, but for whatever reason, I was the punchline to a cruel joke when I slept with my soon to be girlfriend. It was about the time I stopped fooling around with the others and we went exclusive that I realized I had nothing to prove and she still dug me regardless of the laughable nights we had spent before that, and guess what? It actually stopped like overnight I went from a pre-shooting wet noodle to myself in a day. Also to add anyone who’s been in long term sexual relationship can attest these things do just happen, I was with her for 3 years and while those problems pretty much all that stopped we still had the occasional session where I couldn’t stand up or busted within a few minutes still have them with my new girl… but besides that, I in no way ACTUALLY HAD ED or Premature Ejaculation issues that I needed to change my whole life for or go see a doctor about. My point of sharing this is that I think you’re too in your own head about your dick, and I don’t think 2 nights is enough to jump into a frenzied panic over; take it easy chill out over the focus on your cock and if or when you see this girl again just enjoy it. Worst-case scenario you have to spend some more time with your hands and mouth? It doesn’t sound like a bad deal to me.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to write this. I’m going to reflect on it even more. I thank you, sir.

I want to talk about my anatomy some more..

I’ve been keeping a PE log for a bit over a month (since re-starting PE from a pronounced PE pause earlier this year), and I am adding to it as a general penis health log to this day, even with ceasing doing PE. I’ll paste what I have of the log so far some other time (needs a touch of revision for presentation sake and I don’t have the time right now).

One thing I will share from this log: I’ve had 7-9/10 strength morning woods almost every morning since I made this thread. So, there’s a reason to not always freak out. My stress levels have been less since I made this thread, overall.

Side question: does anyone know why a morning wood (something not brought about by conscious arousal, unless you were having a sex dream) has the ability to just last longer than a wood would last that you purposely brought upon yourself? Even after I pee with a morning wood, it will sometimes just stay.. Obviously that’s nice. But it’s not nice that I can’t get my conscious wood to stay that long.

Later in the day from when I made this thread, I’d edited my original post with more negative reports, after initial responses in here, such as:

- My penis glans/head is on the paler/light pink side. Nothing alarming, it’s not white. However, what IS more clear as being pale and with hints of that not-good “blue” is the edge/rim of the base of the head. That just mildly concerns me. At times it’s more so visible than other times. I can truly not recall how I looked before PE. Hopefully that’s mostly a statement of indifference.

I will say though, on the subject of color, it’s made me wonder if I felt like my shaft skin was getting darker or it was my head/glans that was gradually losing some red tone in favor of a pink (even though, yes - I’m aware jelqing typically causes darkening of the skin, the Firegoat Roll tool has been effective on me). Anyways, the whole subject of glans color is a non-issue when I’m hard, as far as I care to say.

- One half dime size dark spot on glans head, appeared within the first 3 months of PE (so, around August of 2018): virtually totally healed/disappeared in December of 2020 sometime (like barely I can currently make out where it was, without trying to pretend I’m seeing it). For whatever reason, that took some time to clear up (I’d lost hope for it). However, I’m not 100% that’s a great sign as that’s around the time I feel like my overall negative PI’s started to hit their max in being tested by my PE approach. So, I can’t help but wonder if it “healing” (disappearing) is a comment to things related to blood flow in the head/glans, or lack thereof.
- Slight raised “band” appearance from side to side just beneath the rim/edge/bottom of the glans head, in the really thin layer of skin that exists there. I hate that I’m mentioning it out loud somewhere for the first time, but that did appear sometime mid or later last year. Like September? I had to look into Penile Mondor’s disease.. To maybe rule something out. I’d be willing to share a pic of this area with a seasoned pro on here.

/context for what things I want to add to this general subject (and beyond)

The “Corona” part of my glans (the rim/edge/bottom), where I noted ^ there would seem to be less blood flow as there’s a more blue color hint (and it’s the first area to get less red when an erection subsides) - that’s an area on my glans where, for the better part of me doing PE (1 year at least), when I wanted to get myself aroused without porn I became more aggressive with, with my hand. I’m talking about the inside of my right thumb rubbing against the corona ridge. I realized earlier on it felt good and got me aroused.. Recap: I am uncircumcised.. So that was a new discovery for me. Before me ever doing PE, with porn or whatever, I wouldn’t consciously bring my foreskin down and mess with my head. I would just stroke and let the foreskin be. My point is, maybe I have been too aggressive with that area.. Maybe. It’s one of those things, I had forgotten I begun to do. While last year I actually ejaculated at an all-time low, I did edge a LOT.. So that was a LOT of corona ridge rubbing, basically each time. The texture of my corona ridge isn’t alarming (it’s got those tiny flecks that extend out that are natural, so I’ve read - I forget the name of those flecks), it’s just the color that is a sign of something. It has to be a sign of something.

Near the penis hole (urethra opening) itself is where I feel the coloration of my glans is how it should be, pink, not a pale pink, and not surprisingly(?) the sensitivity in that zone feels more true to how I know a sensitivity level should be anywhere on my glans.

My Corpus Spongiosum doesn’t fill up as much as I think it used to years back.. So I don’t think this is a PE thing, it’s just something I want to mention. I have to wonder if my prostate/urinary issue has something to do with this, as the urethra is there. My urinary issue in a nutshell is a need to pee more frequently and I probably pee less than I should each time. Dribbling, yeah. Always feeling like there’s pee trapped deep inside (near my taint), yeah. What’s interesting is, when I experiment with just enough pressure with my fingertip from the underside, starting deep down, running it up (again, barely pressure), I can feel a new sensation of blood flow, like a jelq should probably feel every time (heck, I think I forget how those feel).. I feel like this is all worthy to note because, after all, at least in my case, unless I have morning wood and have to pee, the urge to pee overrides any erection I may have going and moreover overrides the foundation for an erection to take place. Does anyone agree with that or is that just my body?

Which brings me to jelqing. I was going over jelqing basics yesterday (to try to assess what is what, yet again), and I realized that I wasn’t really consciously making an effort to jelq the sides of the penis. It would still occur, contacting the sides, probably more than anything, but in reading some posts, it would seem one wants to avoid real pressure to the top part of the penis especially. The dorsal vein, superficial dorsal vein, and some kind of cluster of nerves near the top part of the penis. Interesting to note, as I never consciously avoided pressure in those areas, but also, I believe, did not apply much there naturally.

I took some dick pics just in January of this year, was exchanging nudes with a girl. I remember notably that my libido was so high.. The state of my dick at that particular morning was so prime. Particularly EQ quality. If I could freeze that state and always have it to fall back on, I’d be dandy for my life. It was also just before my dick started to have the deviated upward curve.

My point in mentioning this is: in January, I remember jelqing and edging to porn (‘Female Worship’ website, called Bellesa). It was cunnilingus porn, but it’s still definitely “cheating”. As I sorta touched up on in my main post, I wonder if on and off I’d been performing jelqing more effectively than other times, as in - my jelqing was helping my EQ when I was doing it right, and my jelqing stunted my anatomy when I was doing it wrong. I may have preexisting issues (urinary) and jelqing helped get me above them (where it’s feasible to consider), at certain times. There are clearly a lot of things to consider, so I’m not going to ignore any possibilities.

I’m also trying to retrace what supplements I was taking in January.. I may or may not have been taking Pygeum. I’m not sure as I know I stopped it at one point this year. Otherwise, I can say I have a pretty excellent supplement support system going strong currently (for body, penis, and min) and only to become stronger. I’ll detail it in writing when it’s full swing.

Hey Gnicbom,

I’d definitely take some time off. I’ve been at PE — seriously, few breaks — for a little more than 2 years and got into it primarily to improve EQ, but found that the growth that came with it became synergistic and motivated me more. I’ve read your posts and here’s my 2 cents.

First, don’t obsess over this, especially if you’ve been waking with morning wood. If you can get an erection easily by yourself, some of your troubles are probably due to performance anxiety. I’ve found concentrating on her, rather than (worrying) whether my equipment is working helps. Anxiety releases adrenaline and that shuts down blood flow to your penis — a vicious cycle.

Second, take a break. You know the old saying ”you can’t beat a sore dick”.

I’ve don’t know if you’ve been overtraining, but I know I have done it on and off, particularly when I get excited by some new gains. I’ve found a 2 week break has worked well.

Third, I’ve found that hyaluronic acid serum is great for healing. Women use it for rejuvenating skin and diminishing wrinkles, but if you want to soothe your dick, apply that a few times a day really helps and it seems to help my sensitivity, too. It’s cheap. You can buy it on Amazon, Etsy, Piping Rock and probably lots of other places.

Fourth, I’ve been experimenting with a red/near infrared light for overall health and have found it’s great for healing and recovery from weight training. It’s helped me turn the corner on a 3 year struggle with shoulder tendinitis, so I don’t see why it wouldn’t help heal your cock as well. I’ve been using it after PE training as well.

Fifth, there are self hypnosis programs out there that help restore the neural connections between your penis and your mind as well as training your pituitary to release more of your own growth hormone. There are other ones that help you control performance anxiety as well.

Hope that helps. Here’s to healing!

Good luck.