Chemical PE: The Long Awaited Evidence

I don’t know what you are referring to, Iron.

If you read my response to that post you will find that I countered the points that were raised.

The truth is, I don’t think anyone really knows how PE works

Your theory of fluid accumulation between the tunica and the BF sounds very plausible. That goes somewhere towards explaining girth enlargement.

But I don’t buy the theory that you can *directly* enlarge the tunica by applying short bursts of pressure to it. I just don’t believe that the human body works like that.

Look at body modification in tribal societies. You will see pictures of African women with artificially long necks and amazonian hunters with artificially enlarged ear lobes.

These people don’t achieve this by applying short bursts of pressure. If I wanted to enlarge my own ear lobes I wouldn’t pull on them repetitively, because this would probably do nothing. I would apply constant pressure for a sustained period of time.

I personally feel that the only way to enlarge the tunica is by applying sustained pressure. For example, through hanging or a penis extender. I believe that the gains people get from jelking are probably the result of some kind of unexplained growth of the “inner penis”. The inner penis applies sustained pressure to the tunica and forces it to expand.

Also, its important not to confuse extensibility with growth potential. The tunica is the limiting factor in terms of extensibility, but not necessarily growth.

The extensibility (stretchiness) of human tissue (veins, nerves, bones etc) is quite limited, but all theses structures can be dramatically lengthened over time, as demonstrated by neck lengthening in tribal societies and things like osteogenesis in the developed world.

You did not.

Bennett8 gained 60% more length exactly applying short (very short, actually) ‘bursts of pressure’ to his penis; there is photographic proof and he is not selling anything. Add all thousand people on this site that have reported gains as well in the same way. Adversely, there isn’t any guy who has gained anything just taking erection pills. It is time to look at facts.

You are assuming that you know and what you know goes against any both anecdotal and even clinical evidence.

BTW, ear lobs stretching has nothing to do with penis enlargement, it is something that is just used by penis device(pills sellers to catch uninformed people.

I think ear lobe stretching is a good analogy to use to illustrate this point. That doesn’t mean that I advocate spending money on herbal supplements. Please don’t insult me.

No one is insulting you, neither I have said that you are trying to sell herbal supplements. Understand what you read please.

Uh, this could be construed as a little insulting. It certainly wouldn’t be surprising if someone were insulted by it:

And this:

Both of these statements are fairly condescending in tone. While we’re at it, this too for that matter:

The thing is, I don’t see him doing that at all.

I see him theorizing and hypothesizing, which is good for the discussion. It’s fine to take issue with his theories, but you could dial back your impatience. The discussion doesn’t benefit from it.

If you find fault with an idea, just clearly illustrate why and be respectful; that will go a longer way toward clearing up misconceptions.

Could be construed ex post? Where is the insult in the post he is crying about?

He is assuming that he knows, actually, since what he is saying is that more SM content will enlarge TA despite everything showing the adverse. If this is not assuming some kind of a priori, invincible knowledge, I don’t know what would be.

There isn’t anymore a discussion here, just a tedious restatement of beliefs already shown discordants with both anectodal and clinical evidence.

I’ve already illustrated everything a reasonable person should be able to get if intellectually honest, so I’ll leave to you the task to make him understand his bunch of mistakes. I’ll enjoy seeing how more patient than me you can be, my friend.

And two more!

Exactly what I was going to say, lol.

“Bennett8 gained 60% more length exactly applying short (very short, actually) ‘bursts of pressure’ to his penis; there is photographic proof and he is not selling anything. Add all thousand people on this site that have reported gains as well in the same way. Adversely, there isn’t any guy who has gained anything just taking erection pills. It is time to look at facts.”

I think that this argument has been extremely useful and enlightening. There is a lot of very useful information on this thread. There is really no need to be rude though. To imply that I am stupid enough to buy herbal penis pills is an insult. Insulting people online is pointless.

I did not say that its impossible to gain length through jelking. I just doubt that stretching of the tunica is the mechanism at work. My theory is that there is some sort of injury-response process at work. The CC probably hypertrophies and expands the Tunica. It works from the inside out (rather than vice versa). You cannot stretch human tissue by repeatedly pulling on it. That should be obvious.

“there isn’t any guy who has gained anything just taking erection pills. It is time to look at facts.”

That is a deliberate distortion of what I was saying. I have never claimed that viagra by itself will produce gains. I was simply pointing to evidence that men who experience priapism can achieve freakish growth. And evidence that chronic long-term use of viagra can increase smooth muscle beyond what is normal for a healthy man. I was proposing a new sort of PE where you aim to mimic priapism and try and avoid the negative consequences. This would involve being erect for an abnormal amount of time. I might try continuous pumping on-off for several hours when I leave college. I think that this has a reasonable chance of working.

Its easier to be critical than correct

Thanks for directing me to that. I will read up on it.

‘You cannot stretch human tissue by repeatedly pulling on it.’. Exactly what Benett8 and all people who gained through hanging and manual stretching did to achieve gains.

And FYI, erection drugs do nothing on healthy young males.
"Sildenafil does not improve erections in young healthy men. Sildenafil should not be given to young healthy men to improve their erections and patients should be advised against recreational abuse of the drug."
Sildenafil does not improve sexual function in men without erectile dysfunction but does reduce the postorgasmic refractory time - PubMed

Ok, whatever.

And before you say : yes this is all a big insult. Links to a studies? Insults. Pointing out contradictions? Insults. Suggesting to healthy young people to not needle their pricky because it won’t give gains and possibly would be harmful? An isult.
I’m sure some mods will come here endorsing that, so I am saying this in advance so I save time to some people who already have too much in their hands.

Gents give me a break.

You cannot stretch human tissue through short bursts of pressure. Just imagine pulling on your ear lobe for an hour every day. That would almost certainly do nothing for the size of your ears. If you applied constant pressure over a long period of time they would grow. The same principle applies to other forms of body modification, osteogenesis and medical tissue expansion. Sustained pressure over the long-term is the only way to do it.

I believe that hanging and extenders work because they provide that sustained pressure. I believe that jelking works because it causes the CC to hypertrophy. This provides the sustained internal pressure that forces your tunica to grow.

As for Viagra. I have taken it many times. I use it for added confidence if I am drunk or if its my first time with a particular girl. Millions of healthy men take Viagra. It could potentially be an excellent tool for people practicing PE.

You believe, you believe… believe what you want. I’m not speaking of what you believe.

Marinera, it is probably not productive to focus on london100’s choice of “I believe” as his way of presenting his theory.

If he had written

would you then say “I’m not speaking of what your theory is”?