Gain .5 inch/month with no excersizes

I saw a couple of Dr. Reicher’s messages on Yahoo. If I understood correctly he placed androgel on his penis ever other day one hour before his jelquing work out. This was his routine- stretch, jelq and the topically applied testosterone.

He did this for 8 months. He claims to have grown from 6 inches to 10 inches.

Perhaps he was lucky with no permanent damage. I don’t know. It would be great to grow fast and really big with little effort.

Also, there are many kinds of doctors out there in the world. It would mean more if he were an endocrinologist or internist.

I have a couple of transdermal prohormones. The one in front of me contains:

Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione and
Androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

Worth a try?

Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione

Most people refer to that as bitch tits in a bottle. Its rate of conversion to estrogen is very high. I wouldnt tell anyone to take it.

Androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

That is 4AD—the prohormone I am using.

There is a question regarding growth rates.

I would theorize that androgen levels in the penis are greater then during puberty. This causes greater rates of growth then even during puberty. This is simply conjecture, the theory is not important. It is a fact that the human body is capable of rapid growth.

I measured again, and I report more gains. Total gains are now 8/18 ths of an inch in 15 days. Good luck to those who are going to try this!!!
I hope you have as much succes as me!

8/18ths ???

I guess that simplifies to 4/9 ” but I would have thought rulers that measure in 18th’s of an inch are hard to come by. Maybe he means 8/16” or 1/2”.

In either case taking the 15 days, he seems to be suggesting a growth rate of around 1” per month.

So this one goes out to the critics, the cynics, and all my homies in the andro clinic….

Does the skepticism (and outright abuse) that Jones has tolerated so far stem from the dangers associated from dabbling with prohormones, an unorthodox theory, or simply that a newbie has brought a potentially significant advance to PE to the table, and a few egos are getting bruised.

I only have one question:

Does it work?

(So far, the majority of those who have tried it respond favorably, but I only have a sample size of about 10 people.)

N.

(Health risks should be noted: two men reported accelerated hair loss, which is odd given the short duration of “treatment”)

Damn, I heard this new math was coming to the college campuses. I got a “C” in Topics in Math and Concepts of Math. That was tough, now this new stuff I have to learn too? Good God! I still need to take statistics for my psych degree and 2 heavier math classes for my business degree like Pre-Calc.

Christ I am going on a Martin Lawrence Bender at Hooter’s tonight and then getting Hooked on Fonix too!

>Does the skepticism (and outright abuse) that Jones has tolerated so far stem from the dangers associated from dabbling with prohormones, an unorthodox theory, or simply that a newbie has brought a potentially significant advance to PE to the table, and a few egos are getting bruised.<

Thats a good question.

Personally I’m not going to try it because I think its both silly and potentially dangerous.

Lets for a second though assume its neither and that jones is not merely the recipient of some temporary plumping. This would mean that the members here who’ve chosen to take it at face value will gain a lot very quickly and shorten their PE careers drastically.

It would also mean that Thunder’s Place would no longer have a purpose, it could simply consist of a page telling people where to buy and how to apply. I guess that has the potential to damage egos.

I guess time will tell :) and probably another lesson will be learned. Either way its useful.

Maybe the one question should be “Is it worth the risk to try it?”.

This idea is by no means new. What bothers me the most is the way he presented “his idea” and his downplaying the potential dangers. Especially when it comes to guys that won’t do any research into the possible side effects on their own, the ones that will just take this idea and run with it.

Maybe the thought in your signature would apply in this case northstar??

Yes, It is because of the safety concerns. How many in here actually have ANY working knowledge of AS? Some in here would abuse the PH as it were aloe vera lotion if they didn’t get gains.

Safety issues are not being addressed at all. If I remember correctly, he even said not to use Saw Palmetto. The conversion happens inside the penis itself and Saw Palmetto is going to do anything to stop that.

This wasn’t well thought out at all. It is a spur of the moment thing and he gave no thought about what to do incase of endogeneous levels of T dropped below normal. How to get the production going again and how to cycle, period. He just ran in here and told everyone about the gains he was making.

I guess he assumed that we all had some androgen knowledge to start with. This is a very costly error and I hope not a fatal one. This isn’t a game here. The risks are very real. No one knows if the penis will become weak from such eccessive growth (if there is any). No one knows how much is actually being absorbed by the prostate.

He is 21 or so and probably has good intentions but he doesn’t realize that he is putting people at risk. If the gains are real, he got over enthused about it and came off half cocked. Most of us are making gains without this solution, so why do this when there are no reason to put yourself at risk?

No one should just run out and get AS without fully knowing the risks involved. Not from word of mouth but from studying the facts. People die everyday from AS and even though this is a PH it converts to DHT/T and god knows what else.

Until the safety issues are met, I will continue to do everything I can to convince these men not to do this.

northstar,

Thank you for your input. Yes, that’s why everyone who does this should watch their hairline.

“Maybe the thought in your signature would apply in this case northstar??”
An absurdity is far beyond a scientifically sound theory. And I am not making people believe anything. I am presenting studies and reports of gains.

“It would also mean that Thunder’s Place would no longer have a purpose, it could simply consist of a page telling people where to buy and how to apply. I guess that has the potential to damage egos.” No, this is not possible. Im sure that this place will always have its purpose. I would bet that excersizes and testosterone creams are the best way to get growth. But like I said before, it is important to see if just a hormone can induce growth.

Sorry if that math was confusing. My gains were just over 7/16 but not quite .5 inches. So I used 8/18 (~.44).

Jones,

While you are around care to clear up the measurement thing?

How are you measuring anyway ELBP? What were your starting measurements and what are you seeing now. Also have you used manual PE methods?

Do you have links to any studies that are not based on abnormal or prepubescent penises?

I will again reiterate that topical testosterone creams have been used before in scientific studies to see if people with a genetic disorder would respond. If the subjects of this study suffered long term side effects, they would have been documented.

“How are you measuring anyway ELBP? What were your starting measurements and what are you seeing now. Also have you used manual PE methods?

Do you have links to any studies that are not based on abnormal or prepubescent penises?”

No manual PE, ever. Erect length base pressure was 6.5 when I started. It is now just under 7. No, there are no scientific studies performed where normal adult men have applied testosterone to the penis.

Is there a more accurate way to measure? I also measure flaccid BP stretched. It went from 6.75 to 7.25. I have rigid ruler, so it is tough to measure girth. But it looks thicker.

Maybe the thought in your signature would apply in this case northstar??

:)

Actually, I have a lot of trepidation regarding backyard prohomone manipulation. And I have a lot of respect for those who emphasize the health risks.

But, to me, that is a separate issue.

The first is whether it works, and I’m seeing more ‘evidence’ (admitedly, a little sketchy, as is the norm with PE), that it does. Dr. Reichter, Whitehall, androjelqer, Jones, and a few others, have all reported success.

I agree that Jones should not downplay the health risks, but that’s not what seems to be ruffling all the feathers.

Something else is lurking.

Y’know, whether we chose to hang 20lbs from our penis or bend our erections 180 degrees, I think it’s important to recognize that PE, itself, is the result of radical breaks from convention.

I would hate to see Thunders become another convention.

Gotta pump now!
N.