Originally Posted by howardson
“Enigmatize”:Thanks so much for using scientific method. (1) As to the blocking of testosterone receptors ,I remember an article naming Saw Palmetto as a culprit.not pygeum which both taken together,of course,keep you from having an agitated prostate. (2) The main basis for taking Arginine has been for it’s assist in liver production of nitric oxide which of course is helpful for fulsome erections as well as the Puff-up that body-builders like at the gym. Some say they prefer “L-Citrilene” to “Arginine’ because it takes a non-liver, pathway but produces the same effect. Notice that it is one of the ingredients in “Force Factor”—a popular workout pill. (3) I take both arginine and pygeum and I am an old guy who by now is supposed to have atrophied “Cowpers glands” ( I have read that by age 30 they are gone). Never mind—I have thought that I could almost wet-jelq with all that stuff which sometimes makes a beautiful silver thread out of my dick that almost reaches the floor while jelqing.
Thanks again,
Howardson
I have largely given up on increasing load volume by nutritional supplement.
Atrophy of accessory sexual glands is usually related to naturally diminishing levels of T, and barring that, to pituitary cancers, testicular damage, and other endrocrine diseases.
Given that a decrease in ejaculatory volume and an increase in refractory period seems to coincide with age, I’d guess for most of us, it’s just aging, and just the T levels that come with it. Aging can degrade the abilities or characteristics of most kinds of tissue, (loss in elasticity, rigidity, thickness, regenerative aspect, etc) so to me it has become far easier to believe that this is the main culprit in this.
And a defect of the androgen receptors usually has a disease component and shouldn’t have any kind of nutritional origin.
It would be simple and easy were that the case though, huh? So far no supplements whether alone or in combination seem to be able to present any solid evidence for their claims in this regards. I think semen increase pills is the 21’st century equivalent of the snake oil industry.
Some kind of consumer protection agency should probably crack down on the companies that make misleading statements, but because they are not selling these as medications and expressly disclaim any promises to affect the health or functioning of any organ, they are not under FDA regulation. The FDA has only had any luck with such prosecutions when it can be shown to be misleading under some other area of regulation like an anti fraud statute.
I can’t explain the anecdotal reports of “success” such as in this thread but I suppose part of it could be the placebo effect.
4/2008 Bpel 6.50, Beg 5.5, Mseg 4.9
6/2008 Bpel 6.75, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1
9/2008 Bpel 7.00, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1
