The wonderful world of supps

Update:

I bought and was using yohimbe (8 mg) once a day (bottle said 2 a day.)

I have stopped taking it because, although it did help my errections, it gave me a weird feeling in my chest… as if my heart was struggling to pump blood, not to mention the shortness of breath….

You can see why I have stopped using it… those are some seriously crazy-scary side effects.

Does Epimedium (Horney Goat Weed) cause the same negative effects?

Hmmmm…I have some yohimbe here which tells me it’s 1,500mg. I haven’t taken any yet as by the sounds of it, 1,500mg in one cap may just blast my heart out of my rib cage…

Are you sure you’re not confusing Yohimbe with Yohimbine? Yohimbine at that dose would be crazy, but for Yohimbe it would be fairly reasonable. My yohimbine comes in 3mg tablets, and 2 of those is very noticable for erection, but a bit unpleasant.

Ah, you’re right Shiver, these are Yohimbe. Thanks for that!

Lumo, Kfarrel:

General comment about sequence - considering the rather large and varied number of supplements you are taking, you may be overloading your system depending on when and in what combination you take your supplements. The reason is that the active ingredients in many botanicals compete for the same transport sites in the gut and compete for the same transport sites in the cells, which have a finite number or limit. Sometimes less is more.

In my own personal experience I have found that I needed to cut down on total amounts and spread dosages out over time for many of the things several of us are taking. The easy way to overload is to take everything with one or two meals but that is not always the best course of action. Also, it pays to really study the literature to identify interactions and side effects for all of the stuff you are taking.

Many times botanicals ‘fight’ one another, and, other times they ‘supercharge’ one another. Both extremes can be bad or at best neutral depending on your own body chemistry. Using botanicals, herbs, and so forth really is no different than if you take a patent medicine - you need to look very carefully at the reported side effects and interactions even for some foods. For example, something as simple as grapefruit juice has a strong negative interaction with many drugs and some botanicals resulting in life-threatening episodes.

Remember this, the pharmaceutical industry (flawed as it is by power and greed) evolved from the study and isolation of the healing powers of herbs and other organic substances.

If you feel like crap taking stuff, you are either overloading your system by too much stuff or you are ‘burst mode’ overloading your system by taking adverse combinations of stuff. Also, if you have headaches, palpitations, indigestion or gas that suggests enzyme problems or a lack therof or serious side effects to me, some of which comes from pancreas overload and/or liver overload.

The approach I have used in the past has been to clear my system of everything, even Green Drinks because they contain herbs, too. Then do a colon and liver detox. After that, re-Build your nutritional foundation on proven organic, whole foods, probiotics, and clean water. Give it some time and listen to your body like for several weeks. Then add your superfoods like green drinks - listen to your body for several days if not a few weeks. Then add a supplement one at a time and listen to your body.

The supplements you use beyond vitamins and minerals from natural sources should be chosen not only for their purported effects (like L-Argenine promoting NO) but also on their not interacting with other things. If you use a shotgun approach, you might end up wasting a lot of money or, you could get sick from toxic overload.

Another big issue is the quality of the product and the honesty and reputation of the supplier. In terms of quality, a lot of people have come to look for ‘standardized’ extracts for herbal products. That can be fine if all you are interested in is one active component. However, many supplements derive their power from the fact that there is an entire or several entire families of related constituents in the herb that work synergistically. Good examples of this are natural vitamin E (8 topcopherols, not just d-alpha the synthetic) and vitamin c from natural sources that includes maybe hundreds of bioflavenoids that potentiate the family of ascorbates. The key then is to get good quality whole herbs of proven efficacy which calls into question the reputation of the supplier and where the material comes from. A lot of cheap herbs these days are being grown on horribly toxic, polluted soils in the former communist states of central Europe - buyer beware!

The old chinese healers had a philosophy of watch for 100 days, even with herbal preparations that had evolved and had been perfected for 100s to thousands of years, because they knew how variable each person’s biochemistry is/was.

If I take a new herb or potion, the first thing I do every couple of hours is to monitor my blood pressure and pulse. For example, while I didn’t have palpitations, I could see immediately the first time I took it that Yohimbe was causing me serious blood pressure regulation problems. Before i really got sick from it or injured, i stopped it immediately.

If you take things one step at a time and listen to your body, you will come to recognize what works and what doesn’t. Just because some thing is supposed to give you a ‘killer’ erection doesn’t mean it’s good for you. The very fact that it acts as a vasodialator in a powerful enough way to give you wood means it is also affecting every blood vessel in your body in a like manner. In most cases, that’s okay - but the exception can do you in.

Study, study, study - just like PE, there is no quick and easy way.

All the Best,

MrTiPS

Thank you for that reply, it was helpful information.

As of now, I have quit yohimbe and am only taking L-Arganine. L-Arganine seems to be helping with erections, but it may just be the PE. Nothing amazingly significant.

I am now thinging about HGW or Trib.

But first… I must go study. :)

I got this stuff in a dropper from raintree and it gave my super strong woodys. I forgot what it was but I will search around for it.

Any luck?

Would taking L-a and doing PE be bad or at all dangerous to risking an injury? Since it expands/relaxes blood vessels, I can see how that would be benificial to PE…but risky too?

Thanks

Giver Hard
Scotty!

Well I stopped taking all the crap. It’s all useless. Really. L-argenine helps a little with the bonas, but the rest is just SH*T if you ask me. Plus you don’t even know if your really getting quality stuff. I’m trying tongkat ali right now, but it’s from malasia, right from the source, not some American company that sells what they think is Tongkat ali, but is in fact root powder which you would have to consume a pound to get the same effects from the extract, which is a process. I think many of you are being fooled by what you are thinking your getting, but aren’t really, becuase of the quality of the CRAP. I’ve been doing energy work lately. A whole different approach. Visual imagery if you will. Visualizing better orgasms and erections. It works fellas, I’m not sh*tting you. Be careful what you say to yourself, caus your subconsciuos is listening to any negative comments.

I’ve been visualizing energy and charging up my dick if you will and the results are astounding. The catch is this, any doubt, it wont work. Energy is real, some might find it hard to believe, but what are we? Cells and matter. What is matter? Energy. Focus, relax and visualize a strong cock and affirm it with statements. I’ve been telling myself a few affirmations for a month and the results are far better than any pill. I repeat about 20 penis related affirmations 3 times daily. I’ve told myself “my dick doesn’t work” “my loads suck” “my libido sucks”
so in essence, that’s what happened. Now, I have a positive attitude about it, here are a few of what I use.

“my cock is always ready to go”
“I have rock hard erections that hurt”
“my libido is higher than ever”
“My loads are consistently huge”
“I am always horny”
“I feel big and strong”
“All women want to have sex with me”
“I radiate lust, love and sexual desire”
“I can satisfy myself and any woman to the fullest”
“I am strong, healthy and full of energy and life”

Having problems with women? It’s not your looks, it’s your vibe men. What you radiate is what you attract. Low self esteem? Girls can read that like a book. Walk tall and straight, chin up high, but now over cocky and see what happens.This might sound nuts, but remember, you create your reality fellas, like it or not. Tell yourself negative sh*t, your subconscious loves it. It thrives to try to defeat you by taking in negative thoughts and processing them into your reality. So you might think I”m crazy. Well try this. Just humor me. Make 20 index cards, with the above statements and about 10-15 more. All positive affirmations, spoken in the present, as if what you desire already exists. Read them 3 times a day for a month and see what happens. I am not sh*tting you guys. Your mind is all you have to make things better, not all this crap your wasting your money on. Good diet, vitamins, exercize, water and no negative thoughts will get you where you want to be. You can use this for PE too. Your brain is more powerful than you think. Use it. Stimulate it. Just like the saying ” a body at rest, stays at rest”
Same goes for the brain.

New connections don’t occur unless you make them occur, by stimulating your mind. Get off the f***ing TV. Read books. Go exercize. Run naked throught the woods in shorts and sandals in the Winter. Your brain is starved. Help people too. See a guy with a flat? Pull over. Do stuff, anything. Listen to new music. Do anything and everything you can to stimulate your mind. It’s real, this is not crazy talk. Think about it. Life doesn’t have to suck. I know this now. Amygdala clicking is another good tool. Gets you out of that reptillian thinking mode. Check out neil slades site on that. Amazing stuff. I’ve gone from like 34 years of hate to like 100% positive and loving life and having the best sex and orgasms ever in just 2 months. That’s why I haven’t been on here. I rewired by corrupt programming. Stop watching the news too. What do you think happens when you hear murder, rape, death, suicide, terrorists, corruption. What do you think happens to your mind when that’s all you hear from the media over and over for years? It becomes you. Holds you down, in fear. Who is the real terrorist here? Who’s spreading the fear?

Listen to me, I hated the world and people for the first 34 years of my life. We are all one . Learn to love everybody and get over the hate. It nearly ate me from the inside out. Hate, negativity and lazyness rob you of life, and affect your sexual health as well. It’s not about a magic pill, it’s about your brain. Why do you think we only use 10% of the brain? Use it or lose it. But seriously, try the self talk for a month and report back to me. This is no BS guys. Take it from me. 34 years of negativity and now? I’m feeling like God, and there are no limits. You can do whatever you want, you have the tools to do it. It’s all right here, but most, myself included are/were too blind to realize it.

Kevin

Well I stopped taking all the crap, the last thing I’m trying is tongkat ali, and so far it’s the only thing I’ve taken that really helps me shoot and my libido is out of control. The other stuff I took? It’s all useless. Really. L-argenine helps a little with the bonas, but the rest is just SH*T if you ask me. Plus you don’t even know if your really getting quality stuff. The tongkat ali, is from malasia, right from the source, not some American company that sells what they think is Tongkat ali, but is in fact root powder which you would have to consume a pound to get the same effects from the extract, which is not a matter of grinding up a root, but a patented process. I think many of you are being fooled by what you are thinking your getting, but aren’t really, becuase of the quality of the CRAP. I’ve been doing energy work lately. A whole different approach. Visual imagery if you will. Visualizing better orgasms and erections. It works fellas, I’m not sh*tting you. Be careful what you say to yourself, caus your subconsciuos is listening to any negative comments.

I’ve been visualizing energy and charging up my dick if you will and the results are astounding. The catch is this, any doubt, it wont work. Energy is real, some might find it hard to believe, but what are we? Cells and matter. What is matter? Energy. Focus, relax and visualize a strong cock and affirm it with statements. I’ve been telling myself a few affirmations for a month and the results are far better than any pill. I repeat about 20 penis related affirmations 3 times daily. I’ve told myself “my dick doesn’t work” “my loads suck” “my libido sucks”
so in essence, that’s what happened. Now, I have a positive attitude about it, here are a few of what I use.

“my cock is always ready to go”
“I have rock hard erections that hurt”
“my libido is higher than ever”
“My loads are consistently huge”
“I am always horny”
“I feel big and strong”
“All women want to have sex with me”
“I radiate lust, love and sexual desire”
“I can satisfy myself and any woman to the fullest”
“I am strong, healthy and full of energy and life”

Having problems with women? It’s not your looks, it’s your vibe men. What you radiate is what you attract. Low self esteem? Girls can read that like a book. Walk tall and straight, chin up high, but now over cocky and see what happens.This might sound nuts, but remember, you create your reality fellas, like it or not. Tell yourself negative sh*t, your subconscious loves it. It thrives to try to defeat you by taking in negative thoughts and processing them into your reality. So you might think I”m crazy. Well try this. Just humor me. Make 20 index cards, with the above statements and about 10-15 more. All positive affirmations, spoken in the present, as if what you desire already exists. Read them 3 times a day for a month and see what happens. I am not sh*tting you guys. Your mind is all you have to make things better, not all this crap your wasting your money on. Good diet, vitamins, exercize, water and no negative thoughts will get you where you want to be. You can use this for PE too. Your brain is more powerful than you think. Use it. Stimulate it. Just like the saying ” a body at rest, stays at rest”
Same goes for the brain.

New connections don’t occur unless you make them occur, by stimulating your mind. Get off the f***ing TV. Read books. Go exercize. Run naked throught the woods in shorts and sandals in the Winter. Your brain is starved. Help people too. See a guy with a flat? Pull over. Do stuff, anything. Listen to new music. Do anything and everything you can to stimulate your mind. It’s real, this is not crazy talk. Think about it. Life doesn’t have to suck. I know this now. Amygdala clicking is another good tool. Gets you out of that reptillian thinking mode. Check out neil slades site on that. Amazing stuff. I’ve gone from like 34 years of hate to like 100% positive and loving life and having the best sex and orgasms ever in just 2 months. That’s why I haven’t been on here. I rewired by corrupt programming. Stop watching the news too. What do you think happens when you hear murder, rape, death, suicide, terrorists, corruption. What do you think happens to your mind when that’s all you hear from the media over and over for years? It becomes you. Holds you down, in fear. Who is the real terrorist here? Who’s spreading the fear?

Listen to me, I hated the world and people for the first 34 years of my life. We are all one . Learn to love everybody and get over the hate. It nearly ate me from the inside out. Hate, negativity and lazyness rob you of life, and affect your sexual health as well. It’s not about a magic pill, it’s about your brain. Why do you think we only use 10% of the brain? Use it or lose it. But seriously, try the self talk for a month and report back to me. This is no BS guys. Take it from me. 34 years of negativity and now? I’m feeling like God, and there are no limits. You can do whatever you want, you have the tools to do it. It’s all right here, but most, myself included are/were too blind to realize it.

Kevin

I just wanted to post something quick about the suppliments I have been taking. I just starting taking a pill called “Veromax” about 5 days ago, one pill in the morning and just before bed: its just a pill with some ginsing and L-arginine, some amino acid pills throughout the day (they also help with bodybuilding too), fish/omega-3 oils and plenty of water!

I also am not masturbating for at least 2 days because of PE…and last night, WOW what a load!! I was soooo suprised and impressed! The L-arginine is obviously doin its stuff and with the water its amazing!

So I just wanted to let everyone know…

Giver Hard!
Scotty!

Kevin, I completely agree with your advice about women. I have had more success with women in the past year or two that I have had in my entire life previously(I’m 32) and I attribute it completely to my new sense of confidence. nothing else has changed…I look the same, dress maybe a bit better, don’t have a fancy car, but I just believe in myself more than I ever did. Never thought about applying it to PE, though, but you obviously have something there…

kfarreldba: I´m with ya on that one! Got the T-shirt too! Works wonders! Go for it boys!!

Kevin,

I truly believe the external world, to a large degree is merely a screen on which we project our internal concepts. Not just how we see things, but will actually effect what “is”.

Sounds like you are projecting a much more pleasant “movie” than you used to play!

Keep up the good work!

Sparkyx