Got the results back. Low testo levels. What to do?

I found this:

Treatment of adrenal fatigue

“Optimal adrenal health is one of the major keys to the enjoyment of life,” according to Dr. Wilson. If you have adrenal fatigue, you can fully live life again by making the necessary lifestyle and dietary changes to treat your disorder.

Treating adrenal fatigue is as easy as:

Lying down during your work breaks (preferably at 10 a.m. and again anytime from 3 to 5 p.m.)
Sleeping until 9 a.m. as often as possible
Laughing
Exercising
Minimizing stress
Taking negative people out of your life
Eating regular meals
Chewing well
Doing something fun each day
Combining unrefined carbohydrates with protein and oils
Avoiding junk food
Eating five to six servings of vegetables each day
Taking calcium and magnesium supplements
Adding sea salt to your diet
Taking 2,000 to 5,000 milligrams of vitamin C each day
Supplementing vitamin E with mixed tocopherols
Taking B-complex supplements that are high in B6 and pantothenic acid
Adding licorice root extract to your dietary supplement regimen

If you take your treatment plan seriously, you can expect your adrenal fatigue to heal in:

6 to 9 months for minor adrenal fatigue
12 to 18 months for moderate fatigue
Up to 24 months for severe adrenal fatigue

Haha. I`m close to panicking now:)

I could push to see an endocrinologist, but I don`t think I will do it because: 1) I find it beneath my dignity to beg that ignorant fool to send me to a specialist when he already said no. 2) Even if he agrees to do so, I have heard that it is a very long process to get things moving. First I will most likely have to wait 3 months just to get there, and after that there will be more waiting.

My best choice is to go with this famous doctor in the private sector. Problem is that I`m broke and I`m living far from him. I will try to arrange a phoneconsultation with him as soon as I can and at least ask him to comment my tests and what treatment could be possible.

Btw, I found this on the internet:

Does anyone have a clue if this could be good?

I`m trying to do some more research on this product as we speak.

Thanks in advance,

Renholder

Pussy Pounder,

Thank you very much for searching out this information for me.

The thing is that I do most of those already, except the most esoteric ones. I will try my best to implement those not already present in my routine.

I have worked in construction for several years and two-three years ago I was severly overworked because of very long hours in addition to little sleep, heavy weights on top of that, and some personal problems. Perhaps I could have hurt my glands in that period. I don`t know. I don`t longer work in construction so I had expected to have more energy now compared to then, but I don`t feel as energized as my lifestyle really should indicate.

Nice nick btw:)

Best regards,

Renholder

I`m awaiting a return from the private doctor I talked about earlier. Hopefully he will call today.

I`ll keep you guys posted.

Regards,

Renholder

I did not hear from the doctor yet. Hopefully he`ll call over the weekend.

I did discover something new though.

My ferritin levels are very high. Much higher than the normal range:

PS-FERRITININ 337 * NORMAL RANGE: 20-250

Does anyone have a clue if this is harmful and could be the cause of my lack of energy and lack of generally everything?

Patient Education on Blood, Urine, and Other Lab Tests - Testing.com

Your ferritin levels aren’t too bad I don’t think.

Definitely check for adrenal fatigue. Perhaps your estradiol level is too low for good sexual function as well.

Just a minor change you can make that can help decrease estrogen receptors and increase T levels is do not eat soy products and stop using plastic food containers including plastic water bottles, plastic baggies, plastic wrap and the like.

“The solution”

Ori hefmekler - The anti estrogenic diet.+ ZMA product.

How does one check for this? And what could I do about low estradiol levels?

That`s good advice. I`ll keep it in mind. I have never eaten and will never eat soy products.

Is this your experience?

I`ve been on a similar regime, except that it is more meals than what Ori recommends. If it is the warrior diet your referring to, is not that one just one meal per day?

I`m curious if fasting really is optimal for a healthy hormonal profile.

I have used ZMA for a while, but actually I quit using it because I felt extremely tired every morning and it took a long time to let go.

Ive been going at it with ZMA and have had superb results. From my own readings I would like to state that Ori is the “only athour” who brings estrogen & testosterone into the big picture when it comes to diet and lifestyle. Ive only been doing WD for about 3 weeks now with good results,but I do not really know in the long term.
But in his book “The warrior diet” Ori explains that Fasting is something that almost every animal on the planet uses when it is sick or feel imbalanced. This is because Fasting lets your body use the energy you would naturally use for digestion and use it to repair and “tune in” your body to an healthy state. I would go with controlled fasting which means that you fast some hours of the day and then in the evening feast like an true warrior.
Try it and see if you feel better.

Regarding the ZMA,when did you take it?Before bedtime? If you took it in the morning I can assure you that you will be sleepy because of the Magnesium.

I will keep myself updated on this thread and see if I can help you :D

Good luck bro!

Thanks man, I really appreciate it:)

I will check out his material. Is there a big difference between “The Warrior Diet” and “The Anti Estrogenic Diet”? I googled it and found that it was two different books.

Actually, I have been fasting for like 5-7 months or so. 16 hours fasting and 8 hours eating. I usually broke the fast between 1400-1600 and ate three or four meals. Most of this period I have been on a calorie surplus and actually have enjoyed it quite well.

The last 7 weeks however, from when I wrote this post initially, I followed a fasting diet made to me by Martin Berkhan of leangains.com in order to lean up. I see that you`re from Sweden. Perhaps you are familiar with him? His clients have gotten some amazing results, so naturally I was eager to achieve the same.

I won`t argue with Martin as he has way more experience than me, but I do perhaps feel that the diet he made to me was way too low on fats compared to how I`m used to eat. That combined with a calorie deficit may be what drove my levels to the bottom range.

As mentioned earlier, I have never had high testolevels, but this is probably an all-time low.

Regarding the ZMA, I experienced with taking it right before going to bed or a few hours before going to bed. Either way, I was very sleepy even after 9 hours of sleep, and it usually took some time for the sleep to leave me after I had awoken.

Look forward to hear more from you!

Well,the warrior diet focus is mostly based upon the overeating/undereating cycle, I do not own the AED book at the moment but I belive it to be an strong compliment to WD.
Ah,So you have been going trough the IF lifestyle (Intermidiate fasting).I do not know Martin Berkhan in person,only spoken to him over internet,he and his client have had great results from his Diet program. His program is also based upon fasting as a key to improve hormone balance,improve general health,increase fat loss etc.
There is a lesson to be learned from controlled fasting and "Starvation". Controlled fasting is when you fast for a couple of hours and then afterwards eat an specific amount of calories to maintain your body in a great state. But if you do not give your body enough calories after the fasting your body will adapt and think that there is a very limited food supply and therefor enter the "starvation" mode which will inhibit a lot of things such as testosterone product and so on. Maybe it is as you stated that your testosterone levels became lower as an side effect of an starvation diet?
Another thing I want to mention is that you should not loose more than about 1 lb/week when your on a diet,if you do more your bodys testosterone production will be affected and shut down. I did an super intense program of 3 weeks and burned a lot of fat,it looked good in the mirror but my body did not feel good at all. So beware of not overdoing fat loss,take it easy and with time you will be lean and get "higher" amounts of testosterone.
And remmember that "Good" fat boostTestosterone production,eat some Tortilla chips (Seriously,they have some kind of magic inside of them that makes me super horny). Dont be afraid of the fat,instead you should use it to your advantage and eat more of the "good" fat.

Now to the ZMA. You did it correctly and according too the labels I guess. How many tablets/amounts of ZMA did you take?
I myself tried this one and had great results ->
There are a lot of flashy comments such as "This product will make you super strong" and so on,it will not make you a superman but it will help you achive higher T. troughout your day.

Another thing I want to ask you:Which bodytype are you(Body Types: How to Exercise and Eat for Your Body) ? Do you workout(Limit your workouts to x<60 min)?Are you stressed a lot? Do you get a good nights sleep?

Ps.Im not Martin but I love my own diet which is based upon WD with a High Fat+High Protein+Low Carb feasting in the evening. I cycle between High/Low Carb days to keep my hormones in balance and not getting my body into "starvation" mode.

You don’t appear to need any anti-estrogen therapy because it looks as though it is nearly dropping off the normal range. Although if you focus on raising luteinizing hormone (LH) you may raise your estradiol level. And your LH level may depend on taking care of the possible adrenal fatigue.

I thought you had already tested your ferritin levels. You have a bit too much iron in your diet maybe?

C.phantasy,

Tortilla chips? Seriously?:) I need to try that one tonight;)

I have never been afraid of fat, and have actually been quite generous with it in my diet, except for the last weeks on Martin`s diet. I was loosing fat slowly and steady to begin with, but I think I became too eager after week 4 or so.

According to the test, I`m closest to a mesomorph. To clarify, I have always been a skinny fat. That is, when I was a kid, I was very skinny with not much fat. I did however slowly gain fat as I was growing up, and this fat seems to stubbornly cling to my body now. Typically I feel that I gain too much fat when bulking relative to muscle gains.

I train weights three times a week. Workouts ranging from 60-90 minutes (try to limit them). My program is WS4SB by Joe Defranco.

Stress was something I was bothered with earlier when I used to work as a carpenter. Lack of sleep as well. The last year though, I have been sleeping on average 7-9 hours each night wth low levels of stress. I`m a student now.

Some guys on another forum recommended me to stay away from fasting as they were not sure if it was optimal for testolevels. Previously I always held the belief that fasting enhanced hormonal levels, but I want to stay away from it for a few weeks just to be sure.

My physical well-being is much better since writing this thread, but my testolevels definitely still needs improvement. I lack DRIVE.

There is perhaps too much iron (red meat), but I do not take any supplements with iron.

I`ll try to take care of my possible adrenal fatigue. Is there a test one could take too find out if this is the case?