High Estrogen levels on Athletic 20 year old... WTF DUDE

Great advice,

I would add that you are obviously over-training. Please do not take offense, I did for years.

I think over-training can have negative effects on testosterone and estrogen levels. The other thing I would consider is little to no cardio! Ya I said it, unless you are training for a specific event, I would cut it out almost 100%. Work out hard, super-set (cycle weight training) and eat a clean diet. You will be much bigger and have more energy and look better.

Epley: “One of the things that made Nebraska successful, which is a little controversial, is running. We did not run as often or as far as a lot of people do. Sport coaches tend to overdo that. They do it for mental toughness, for whatever reason. But the way the body works and the way the game of football is played, there’s need for recovery after each play. There’s a burst during the play and then a recovery period.

I have tried tamoxifen and it works. You can get it in liquid format legally (semi).

You need to go on a good forum that knows about body building (Like iron magazine forums), you will get far less responses (may be) but you may get some help. Good luck.

Indeed it is. If PE were anywhere near as risky as “exogenous interference with your endocrine homeostasis” (to steal AndroNYC’s felicitous phrasing) without professional supervision, however, I would never have considered it unless, perhaps, I had a micropenis. I am admittedly not terribly well-informed in this area, but my impression is that directly screwing with your hormones carries a risk level more similar to that of PE surgery than to that of non-surgical PEing. Certainly I’d expect the science to keep advancing, just as PE surgery techniques will keep advancing, but for now I’d advise Invictus to stick to psychotherapy if he has emotional issues, and the gym if he wants to safely boost his natural testosterone, especially given that his lab results appear to be normal.

It sounds like he has tried other stuff, so he may be down that road a ways. Trust me there are “experts” on those sites that know how to regulate and do things like home brew etc. It is really amazing. I am sure they are guessing without testing their results properly, but that does not deter them.

If you go there and ask them about increasing you dick through exercising, they will laugh at you and tell you it is dangerous. Come on people shot drugs directly in the their penis for about 2 years on this site. A little test is not going to hurt you.

Either way if he is playing with gear, he needs to do more research.

Hey guys, I’d say: try understanding what we are saying.

I never said that there aren’t cases where AAS can be useful. But there are cases where even taking venom can be useful. What one should always avoid, is messing with those things without a professional supervision - having done the Med School for 2 years is not enough. Nor is being a bodybuilder.

The idea that being a bodybuilder means to have more knowledge of those things than a endocrinologist has is ridicoulus and probably an effect of those substances (see voice: megalomaniac tendencies). Don't be naive, pro-athletes take AAS under the supervision of very prepared Andrologists. Still, the effects of that shit on many athletes jump out often, under many sides, and some of those ex pro-athletes have done outing about what AAS can do to your body and your mind.

Those effects are clear even on the behavior of some members here who admitted to be steroids users.

And the idea of advising a boy (no offence intended), as invictus is, to take steroids to regulate a hormonal balance that we don’t know if needs to be fixed is just retarded.

Amen.

Yes that is why I say he needs to work with his doctor to get to the bottom of whatever it is that is going on with him. It could be hormonal. Or it could be other things.

At the very least.

That’s what I’d say too.

Your mileage may vary, but always bring a pocket full of caution in one’s misadventures. To be a prick, one cannot stop tampering with any system in the body. Whether someone chooses to eat extra healthy or take up a crack habit, they all have a hand in stirring the spoon of the tea that makes you actually you.

I am not here to babysit you for shit like this, but if you do pass away, can you put me in your will for any vehicles or heavy equipment?

Thanks in advance.

The idea of a penis puller having more knowledge than an urologist etc…

No one told him to take steroids. I think you should at least get to your full natural potential, lift for at least 3 to 5 years seriously and be at lease over the age of 21 before you try anything like that. Steroids for most people are the easy way out and most lose everything in a couple months after they are off anyway.

Agreed.

The “take a pill, it’ll get better” solution is way too prevalent.

There’s so much you can do without that, and so many of the pills you might take just make you need the damn pills (and therefore fork over $$ for the pills).

If someone’s testosterone is within normal levels, but a little on the low side of normal, I’d say one word: squats.

The daily exercise route will definitely help and there are so many benefits to it. For me, that’s a no-brainer.

At a 600 test level, he could raise it probably to the 1000 range with an aresenal of “natural” things. Like Happy said “Squats”. Diet high in protein, do cardio but don’t overdo it, green and leafy vegetables, essential oils, and a good state of mind.

One difference though: the amount of research done on AAS/steroids/HRT/etc compared to that done on PE/surgery. Big, big difference.

:up:

All good.

invictus does seem to train with some intensity, though. I just reviewed the thread again.

It’s not that others were steering invictus toward artificially boosting his testosterone levels; invictus himself seems to have the idea that because he gets a little emotional at times his testosterone and estrogen levels are off.

However they aren’t, really.

But the emotional responses that invictus had to some of the responders here landed him on hold.

I’d guess he doesn’t need to work out any more, so much as get a handle on his emotional life. I doubt very much he needs a chemical solution to that problem.

Not explicitely. But we can see where the “bodybuilders know more than endocrinologists about AAS” school of thought is pointing, we aren’t stupid, are we?

That’s not true, nor is that what was said. You’re making stuff up. The point was some Endo’s will look at lab levels and say “oh they’re fine and meanwhile another Endo will look at them and take action. That’s just a fact. Call any HRT Endo and ask them.

Second no one told him to take steroids. I don’t see that at all. You have exaggerated every comment and reached your own conclusions.

The bottom line is his ratios are indeed off and his levels are high normal and low normal and the inverse should be true. He may have exogenic infusions of estrogen through water or other contaminates. That would be my guess. You might want to check your own levels as many people are surprised at how high their estrogen is.