a few basic questions

Hi, this is my first post here… I have been visiting this place for a while and registered several weeks ago, reading and searching various topics.

I recently realized that a rather low LOT means less gains rather than high gains, and much to my dismay, my LOT is very low… somewhere around the 6 to 7 area.

However, I would first off like to know if I’m doing this correctly. Standing up straight, mostly flaccid, I pull my penis above 9 and have a very high tugback. Around 9, there is a SIGNIFICANT decrease of tugback, and the lower I get, the less there is. However, I can see a very minimal tugback of the penis at little over 6… very very little. Around 7 I can still see it, although it is much less than 9, and at 9, there was already a significant loss in tugback. At 6 I can still see a very small tugback, but not much different than at 7… You can barely see it, but it’s there.

1.) Does this leave my LOT at 6-7? Does LOT indicate where you see absolutely no movement? Or just when there is an extremely small small tugback that you can barely see? If it’s where there’s no visible tugback AT ALL, I would assume that leaves my LOT at 6…

2.) In that case, I learned to do some tunica stretches, specifically at higher angles due to a low LOT. Doing so will also begin to raise my LOT, which I can then benefit from lig stretches, correct?

3.) Also, I’m have a little difficulty finding out what exactly stretches the tunica. I believe the jelq does… also, the V-Stretches/Inverted V-Stretches? If that is so, would those be sufficient to get some decent tunica gains? Any information on tunica stretches would be appreciated. I’ve searched various topics on them and didn’t get much clear information.

4.) My EBPL is a little over 5 inches… I’m hoping to hit somewhere between 6 and 7… not very high goals, huh? :) I want to be largely realistic for now, and hope I can attain that given the low LOT. Is that possible? I know very much I’m a little below the average, and at the very least I’d like to hit a little above it.

5.) Lastly, I’m also very concerned about my flaccid length, since I’m definitely not a shower. I’ve learned that the flaccid gains will normally hit before the erect gains. Even with a low LOT, will I benefit lig stretches for flaccid gains? Also, will tunica/jelqs also help in flaccid gains?

Thank you for any help, it’s very much appreciated. Sorry for the long list of questions, or especially if some of them have been answered several times. Once again, thank you in advance.

Welcome to Thunders bro, it’s a wealth of information and a great environment. There are a lot of great people who dedicate a lot of their time to helping others on these forums, and as long as you have a question that is not easily obtainable using the search function, you will always get a very helpful and polite answer if anyone is capable of giving one.

Note: I will make sure to itterate this again after this, as I don’t want to come off as a know-it-all or anything by any means, for I surely do not. But I will do my best to answer your questions with my perception of the science behind PE and the opinions that I have based on logic.

Alright, first off, are you judging by when you see the base of the penis when you kegel, or the movement of the glans towards your body when you kegel?

1.) Your LOT is the point at which the ligaments are taking all of the stress of your stretch, so essentially it is where you see no visual tugback of the glans.

2.)That is a theory that has yet to be tested, but it does sound logical, because as you stretch your tunica, it become closer to the length of your ligaments or longer than the ligaments and thus the ligs would come more and more into play in handling the tension of the pull.

3.)Jelqs would probably not significantly stretch the tunica as it is tougher than the ligaments. Fulcrum stretches like the ones you described, however, will get the job done.

4.)Your goal should definitely be obtainable IMO. I have read of others making more than twice that in gains, but they did not know their starting LOT (and chances are, it was rather high when they started). Nonetheless, if the theory about LOT changing and one being able to extend the ligs for further gains thereafter is true, it shouldn’t matter much. More than likely, that would mean the reason a lot of men started PE and that did not see gains was because they had a low LOT and were trying to start out like everyone else and get gains from their ligs and did not see results and gave up. Now the people that haven’t given up and still are doing PE know how to go about doing it correctly as well as the people who are new to PE. I myself don’t have much experiece, so I won’t pretend to be an expert in the matters of actually doing exercises, etc. but I have been browsing the PE boards for years now (was just recently afforded the privacy to begin my own routine less than one month ago (and sadly, I took about haf of the time off still, so I guess you could still say I am beginning my third week ……… and will make sure that no matter what I stick strictly to my routine from now on. :p ). Alright, I know that was a long-winded response, but I was just wanting to share with you the fact that I believe anyone can make gains if they go about it the right way. Learn as much as you can and I have faith that you can acheive those goals if you are willing to dedicate the time and effort to do so. (In case it wasn’t clear, I seriously think the LOT theory is the breakthrough that the PE community has been waiting for ……… more than likely, if there was a survey taken to determine the average LOT of men pre-PE, I am almost sure there would be a STRONG possitive corelation between the number of men that did not have success and the percentage of men that had lots 8:00 or below. I have read many progress logs where some went to a maintanence program or stopped doing PE for gains and just doing it for maintenance because they hit a plateau they could not break (esp on the old peforums.net) even after an extended period of exercise. As well as a few who saw no gains at all for a given amount of time and quit doing PE because of this. I have actually read more of the former. The people who saw such finite gains (of maybe an inch or so), were probably the people who had a starting LOT of maybe 8:30, and the ones who saw no initial gains were probably people who had a starting LOT of 7:00 or so. From what I have read, I would estimate that the average LOT would probably be 8:00 - 8:30, but there is not enough data for conclusive proof, because it relies too strongly on everyone reporting be it with success or otherwise. I will say that I have seen more stories of success than failure, but again that relies too strongly on everyone who actually participates in PE posting at the forums, and when you look to see how many lurkers are on a forum, it is almost without doubt that you can assume that such is not the case. Alright Alright, I’m finished now ……… sorry about the tangent.

5.) I would assume that jelqs would help the flaccid appearance of your penis as it improves vascularity and thus there would be generally more blood in the CCs even when flaccid.

I know that was probably more than you wanted to read, and especially from someone who has not had much “hands on” (some pun huh …) experience with PE, but I will still stress this point. I have full faith that anyone can acheive their goals if they go about the right way. If any vet disputes any opion I have expressed herein, I will tell you that I would stand corrected, for as I have said, I don’t have much actual experience in PE, and there is MUCH that I still do not know (of course the path to self-improvements begins with knowledge, so I am learning as much as I can as far as the physiology of the penis and the tactile aspects of PE). I do however hope I was able to help you in some way be it with knowledge, motivation, or any other mechanism.

Peace and God Bless

In Advance: I did not proofread this so please forgive any typos (or incoherence due to being at this level of sleep deprivation).

rk866,

Welcome!

>I recently realized that a rather low LOT means less gains rather than high gains,<

Not so, it just means slower gains in the beginning.

> and much to my dismay, my LOT is very low… somewhere around the 6 to 7 area.<

Take heart my friend! With your high goals, even if you had a high LOT you would need to do tunica stretching at some point to get to your ideal size. Just look at it as getting the hard stuff out of the way first.

>2.) In that case, I learned to do some tunica stretches, specifically at higher angles due to a low LOT. Doing so will also begin to raise my LOT, which I can then benefit from lig stretches, correct?<

I think this is true, yes.

>3.) Also, I’m have a little difficulty finding out what exactly stretches the tunica. I believe the jelq does… also, the V-Stretches/Inverted V-Stretches? If that is so, would those be sufficient to get some decent tunica gains? Any information on tunica stretches would be appreciated. I’ve searched various topics on them and didn’t get much clear information.<

Stretching above your LOT will stretch the tunica, the best thing is high angles (12 o’clock), and fulcrum stretches, to target the inner tunica, which would raise LOT when enlarged. V stretches will effectively lower the angle of stretch as you are pushing down, but A-stretches will raise the angle and be more use to you.

>5.) Lastly, I’m also very concerned about my flaccid length, since I’m definitely not a shower. I’ve learned that the flaccid gains will normally hit before the erect gains. Even with a low LOT, will I benefit lig stretches for flaccid gains? Also, will tunica/jelqs also help in flaccid gains?<

Piss pulls will help (stretching at the bathroom), shave your pubic hair back so more of the shaft is showing. In fact there is a good thread about this in main member, I think it was started by MagnumXL, so look that up. Also, look up a thread called ‘tunica moves and how to do them’.

Sorry for the late reply, but thank you very much, both of you =) I’ll check out the exercises you guys mentioned, and thank you for the rest of the information.