Advice on routine - Hard gainer?

Hi,

Lurked for a long time and done PE on and off for years. I would put this in the main PE forum section but I can’t do so as I have never posted.

I am currently doing a 4 days a week routine every week for about 8 months and I’m struggling to see any real results. In terms of building muscle I’m a hard gainer so perhaps it applies to PE too although I may be just doing too little.

So I just want any advice - so do more, do less, do something else. All comments and criticism welcome.

So I do my routine in the evening after my gym routines which are Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. So no PE on Wednesday or the weekend.

I use my bath mate in the shower for about 15 mins. Then I’ll do bundled stretches - 5 mins sets each side for a total of 30 mins.

Then I’ll Jelq for 20 mins and finally I will clamp for 3 sets of 10 mins with 5 min breaks in between sets.

I have seen some minor growth girth wise (0.2 inch) but absolutely nothing length wise. I’m pretty sure I won’t get anything from ligament stretches anymore so I assume I need more tunica stuff.

So if I can get some feedback and advice I’d be super grateful. Mainly to increase length gains but anything to push my girth gains up I am open to.

My measurements currently are 7.5” BPEL x 5.6” EG

Thanks in advance!

Uber

In my opinion you,re doing way too much and too many things at once, I’d stick to 2 things at most, for girth mix stretching or jelqing with clamping or pumping, if stretching do it first and if jelqing superset it.
If you want length I don’t think you can beat hanging.
Also you might want to consider a decon break and start back much lighter.

I’m also a very hardgainer in PE and muscle building but I’ve figured out what works.
What approach has worked for you in the gym ?

Thanks for the response.

With the gym, the breakthrough I finally found was just consistency with a 6 week routine (1 - 2 week break before starting it again) that was more reps focused and eating a lot more on top. No alcohol too. I think my body just builds muscle better doing sets of say 5 sets of 10 reps than trying to just do a 5 x 5 heavy workout. Not sure if that logic would also work with PE too seeing as you think I’m already doing too many things perhaps.

So as per your post, just hanging and then say clamping might be more effective? And leave out all the rest? Would you think to increase the amount of time doing these exercises?

Also re deconditioning breaks how long would you recommend. It might be an idea - my 1 - 2 week gym breaks after each 6 week routine seems to help a lot for muscle gains and strength.

2 weeks is probably enough if you’re just needing a rest but if what you’ve been doing has really toughened up your tissues you may need up to 3 months.
I’d start with 2 weeks and see how everything feels.
The trouble with all PE is there’s no right way, everyone has to experiment until they find something that works, with that in mind sticking to one or two methods
just to limit the variables makes sense.
Also starting with less time less often and building up slowly.

I had a hell of a time gaining anything but hanging worked so I’ll always recommend it, it’s a big time commitment though.
For girth I’ve gained a small amount from clamping every 2nd or 3rd day for 10mins, years ago I tried the std 3x10min routine and gained nothing !
Shows you how different we all are.

Cheers yeah that makes a lot of sense.

I’m willing to try something new so I’ll take a breather for a little bit and make my routine simpler. Guess it will just come down to how the body responds.

Your PE workout is a bit much. Are you using constant heat?

I’m a newbie, but doing PE after your gym workout for your major muscle groups might be too much. I used to be into weight lifting and your body can release catabolic hormones which are not good for muscle growth. Maybe it is worth considering doing PE on the days you are resting from the gym. Try to search the forum about this correlation and see what others suggest.

(Just from lurking and learning from others on this site. It seems like you are doing too much.
Look into the threads on PI, Physiological Indicators. It has helped me a lot as I overdo everything in life. I am having better results with the understanding of PI. I was doing too much. I cut back to just the newbie routine and will add a little be of low pressure pumping or edging with a cock ring, I have found that I am responding better with 2 days on and 2 days off.
My BPFL ranges from 4.5” to 5.25”. On the 2nd day of rest I am back up to 5.25” and I know I am healing. Actually, I was a bit under 5.25”
BPFL and today I am a bit over that because I am listening to my body, letting it rest and recoup. Same goes for the gym. We break our muscles during lifting and the gains come when we let them heal. I am getting on board with the less is more concept. Heating has helped as well. Newbie Routine in the hot tub. Heat packs from the microwave and I will buy an LED IR lamp soon and IR heating pad for pumping. A lot of solid advice I picked up from the Veterans on this site.)

Good Luck

Thanks for the reply. I did have a heat lamp but it broke so I need to get another - I’m guessing I better be using something like that for all exercises? Does it make that big a difference in your opinion?

Yeh thats interesting I’ll look into it. I did wonder if doing PE after a heavy gym session was counter productive. I think given the advice so far I’m going to take a 2 month break and cut back the routine.

As with gym I found doing more and on a consistent basis got me through the wall to getting results so I thought it might be the same for PE. Obviously its not been the case so far.

I didn’t grow much until I started using heat.