Girth deters length gains?

I’ve read on a few threads that it is harder to gain length with more girth. Is this true?

It makes a little bit of sense. The main reason it’s important is because I’m more in need of girth gains, but definitely want to have substantial length gains without much resistance.
If this is true then I’d need to focus more on length gains before moving to girth gains.

It varies from person to person. Length gains come easy and girth is hard for some, and for others it’s the opposite. Or, perhaps, both could be easy or both could be hard. From what I’ve seen on these forums, length before girth tends to be more frequent. My guess would be that this is due to newbie routines generally focusing on achieving length gains via lig stretching. Girth exercises, such as Ulis or 440 horse squeezes, are more intense exercises than regular manual stretching and wet/dry jelqing. Because girth exercises are more intense, they also require more conditioning so that you’re less likely to injure yourself.

Having said that, sometimes guys will get girth gains as a by-product from length exercises. I don’t know how long you’ve been PEing, but if you are a newbie, I’d stick with whichever routine you’re doing (newbie, linear newbie, JP90, etc.) and then add in girth work after you’ve either experienced length gains or encountered a plateau.

Long story short: girth exercises are generally more intense than length exercises; get your newbie gains out of the way first, then move on to girth work.

I believe in working length and girth together.

I’m with you. I haven’t seen one pursuit hinder the other.

Yes, I agree with the above. I don’t see any hinder why should working on both.. even better!

Yeah, I don’t really see any reason to not work the two together if you so desire. The only difference I could maybe see is that stress is a function of force and cross sectional area. So perhaps more girth (thicker/higher circumference tunica) would mean you might need to use more force to achieve comparable length gains in the same amount of time, but I don’t think it would in anyway prevent you from gaining length. You might just have to use more force.

Tunica thickness doesn’t add much to the girth, by the way. ;)

Girth increase for me seems to take away a little from length so working both makes sense for me if I want to keep my length, just my experience.

I know, I meant the physiological adaptations that take place in your tunica when you gain girth. That is, it gets thicker (stronger) and the circuference increases. I should have clarified. Anyway, both those factors increase the cross sectional area of the tunica, so a given force will produce less stress. But then again I don’t believe this would be prohibitive to further length gains, you might just have to pull that sucker a bit harder. :)

I’ve been reading bibs thoughts and he thought that deforming the lateral and longitudinal bonds can lead to cross sectional bonds. This leads to peyronie’s disease and doing girth work at the same time as hanging can lead to attachment site and skin soreness. Which in turn leads to where you won’t be able to hang as efficiently.

I’m of the mind that they can complement each other, though I wouldn’t go over board with girth if length is your main aim. My experience has shown that I gain easier when I do both. Like rootsnatty was saying I would think it just might take a little more force to stretch if you gain 0.25 to 0.5 inches in girth but I don’t see it taking an exorbitant amount of added force.

I heard the penis is a rubberband analogy and the penis is a balloon analogy. But I think it’s more like the penis is 3 balloons (chambers) wrapped in theraband (tunica) suspended by rubberbands (ligs) attached to a wall (pelvis). I’m going to bed soon so this will be quick but adding more air into the balloons would stretch them circumferentially and longitudinally. The pressure of the balloons expanding on the theraband would also stress it leading to a looser theraband and balloons that could expand more. So in this analogy I can see how both stretching and adding more air (girth work) could lead to length and girth gains faster.

I try to keep in mind that we are dealing with living tissues. So as the balloons gain mass it would take more force to stretch them. If you are hanging with traditional hangers and depending on the type and amount of girth work this could lead to fluid build up and/or pain at the attachment site which would make hanging less efficient. So in my ideal length routine I would do girth work sparingly and focus mainly on hanging but time is a big constraint for me at the moment and the only PE I can manage is hanging. In a way I’m testing the length before girth work now out of necessity and will no doubt make some conclusions about this experience.

I agree, I think the biggest limiters are the practical ones (time, comfort, overwork) rather than the physiological ones (connective tissue toughening and expansion). With the amount I hang, along with having a life outside of PE, I just do not have time for a lot of girth work outside of the jelqing I do after all my hanging is done for the day. Not to mention that if I tried to clamp my bib down over the fluid retention I would get from pumping (my favorite girth exercise), it would be extremely uncomfortable. Certainly I would not be able to hang everyday anymore.

So I think there is a threshold of practicality involved. I go balls out on my length work, but if I wanted to mix the two (length and girth), I would have to take a more moderate approach to each.

Also, we have the anecdotal examples of guys trying to go crazy on both at the same time and running into injury. BigGirtha was doing something like clamping, pumping, heavy duty jelqs in a hot tub, and pumping and he started bleeding out of his urethra. There are just practical thresholds for how much punishment one cock can take. I think that is something to keep in mind.

However, taking a more moderate approach to both length and girth and doing them together is quite feasible. I believe the gains numerous people have made in both length and girth following newbie manual programs such as our newbie program, JP90, linear newbie, mem’s, and even the MoS program illustrate the fact that it is possible. There may even be some synergy.