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How long are you extending in your extender? How much over your BPEL? I’m currently stretching at 1.8cm over my BPEL and it’s quite intense. Managed to stretch to 2.5cm over my BPEL (2.2cm over BPFSL) for a while afew weeks ago until I decided to take a break because of discolouration of the glans as well as a noticeably reduced sensitivity in the glans. Haven’t you encountered anything like that (blisters, discolouration, desensitisation) at such an extreme level of tension?

You’re nearly 8” NBPEL, that’s very impressive to anyone. When will you stop or dramatically reduce PE so you can focus on a relationship, settling down or improving your sex life?

Thanks for the info about AFF

Bib and Malehanger are basically the same product. Malehanger ripped it off. Ben from Malehanger has good knowledge and he follows a low amount of sets philosophy. (1-2 a day I believe)

Bib is the originator and an excellent source for hanging. His philosophy is to build up sets to the maximum daily time that you are willing to regularly put in. He recommends at least 10 hours a week. You start with 3 sets and add 1 set per week. So by week three you are doing 5 sets a day. You do this at low weight. I started at 5 lbs.

Then when you get to your maximum daily amount you start adding 15% weight per week until you reach fatigue. His progression is a little conservative but it is probably a good baseline. These compression style hangers are going to put some forces on your penis that can be uncomfortable. If you go to fast your skin and where the hanger attaches will be your weakest link.

During the first 6 weeks you probably won’t see gains if you follow Bib’s progression. But if you do it right you will learn the technique correctly at low weights. This will save you from many problems later. Bib wrote the managing fatigue thread, which I love. You are not aiming to hang at a particular weight. The weight is just a tool and not a goal. The goal is to achieve fatigue in the second set of hanging. Then reduce just enough weight in each following set to ride the fatigue for the remaining amount of sets.

His thread goes into a lot more details and of course is just a guide.

But I have read on many that set these arbitrary numbers as goals and limits when it comes to hanging. I would say that most who follow the riding fatigue philosophy, are trying to achieve it at the lowest weight possible again, you shouldn’t focus to much on the weight. Because I run into people that should be increasing the weight. But they get some number stuck in their head and they aren’t hanging as effectively with their time as possible.

I collect my data and I do believe time put in is important. However, I think a hanger gets to a point that their will be diminishing returns at lower weights. You can hang 2 lbs, 24 hours a day and eventually it won’t do anything for you. On the other end if you hang 300 pounds for 1 second, I think you are just going to injure yourself. I always imagine this X,Y axis with time and weight being the two variables. There is probably a huge area that has you will get results with a wide range of time or weight. But there is probably a small range that is the most effective use of your time.

I wouldn’t be surprised that 1-2 hours worth of hanging is the equivalent of 6-8 hours of traction at a certain point in you PE career. But I believe you will get to the point with traction that since you can’t keep adding tension forever, that it will take even more hours of traction to be equivalent to 1-2 hours of hanging. I know the Bibs can hang in excess of 50 lbs and supposedly substantially higher. Mind you I have never seen a video of anyone doing it at those weights.

I am extending about 1/4 to 1/2 inch beyond my BPEL (a measurement I only started taking recently), at least early in the day. As the day wears on, I often have to lower tension and subsequently length. I do some tricks, like fastening the strap a bit lower below the head (about 1/2 cm below glans), and find this pulls a little differently and causes the shaft to ache a lot more than the head. I don’t get quite as much length in this configuration, but feel it really works the shaft of the penis well and takes pressure of the glans.

Like you’ve observed, if you go for a major stretch (high tension) you start to have issues with circulation, discoloration and in my case, pain in the rim of the glans. I’ve blistered, and using the Titan cock band as a buffer has helped. This is the limiting factor and why I use a moderate tension (but not excessive) for more time. Sure, I’d like to go max tension for max time; it just doesn’t work out like that.

Regarding, stopping/reducing PE: I am definitely going to have to address the time commitment (current: 6-8 hrs a day traction/6xper week, jelqing 20-40 minutes typically about 3x per week), particularly for the traction with the SizeGenetics device. As I’ve discussed, hanging appears the most viable option: higher intensity/shorter time versus traction. If/when I will cut out PE is a hard one: I’ve been lifting weights intensely for 30 years, and made a lot of sacrifices in my 20s to get a couple 2-dollar trophies and some “Oh wows”—steroids, time in the gym, dedicated hardcore diet (both pre-contest and diet) and so on—really a lifestyle that has pros and cons, to be frank. PE is sort of the same obsession, but I am trying to take healthy routes—I.e. Opting for non-invasive methods like traction, as opposed to surgery.

As my user-name suggests, I am going for a rather large penis (9 inches NBPEL)—basically, I want a porn penis. The last woman I had sex with said “Maybe you should do porn”—I was elated. (Then again, maybe it was my cheesy mustache!)

You have the right mind set for hanging. Not everyone does.

I should probably just substitue that to

You have the right mind set for gains. Not everyone does.

Once people get past the noobie gains then you see who really can do it.

It still baffles me that people stretch so much with a strap attachment! That’s surely quite uncomfortable, even if you’re circumcised I imagine. I think I am able to stretch so far because of the VacExtender mod I bought fot my extender. Yeah there’s definitely a difference between high tension and max tension, I’m balancing on that fine line as if it were a tightrope as to avoid injury. I bought some 5.5k grams (around 12lb) springs to use in the last few months of my extending, now that truly will be extreme!

I know how you feel about the time commitment, although I only put 4-5hrs in per day, with a 1 hour break in between because of the very high tension. I am quite lucky that I am in my final year of university which means I’m in my room most of the time either studying, sleeping or eating and if I’m not I’m at a seminar or lecture. Any other time in my life and it really would’ve been a challenge to do this. I don’t plan on doing PE forever, well not properly anyway, I’m comfortable with the idea of performing very basic PE in the future every now and then to maintain my future size but more importantly to maintain EQ. Every now and then I feel like I could be doing something more productive with my time despite the gains I’ve received. I don’t know if that’s common amongst other PE’rs.

There was a thread on another PE forum created by a young man in the US porn industry. It’s honestly a brilliant read not only for those who has anxieties about their size but for anyone who has ever wondered about the size of a male performer. Through his experience of being on set with other male performer’s, free from the subtle distortions of size that are translated to screen, he gave estimations of the average size in the industry as well as of specific performers. His estimate was 6”-7” BPEL for the average size of most performers and around >7.25” BPEL if you were to be suitable for ‘Big Dick Porn’. Now as most male performers are in shape thus having a lower BF% it’s quite reasonable to assume that their fatpad is less than 0.5”. So most male performers in ‘Big Dick Porn’ would be just over 7” NBPEL. In other words, if you were to enter porn your near 8” NBPEL you would put almost all male performers, even those in that ‘Big Dick’ subgenre, to shame.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to inflate your ego, I just want to stress that you already have a very rare size.

Hi KFH. That is wild if porn performers are really only slightly above average. I always thought the big guys were past 8.5”. Anyway, I’ve been doing my extending for almost 3 months and will have completed 1000 hours this week. I’ve read that high tension can actually cause you not to gain, but the last two quarter-inch jumps in BPSFL I’ve made were after a day or two of extreme tension (which I later pay for in painful glans) how do you feel about that thought of high tension being counter-productive?

I wanted to quote KFH, but couldn’t for some reason.

In regards to you questions and comments:

I need to check out the Vac Extender: is that specifically designed for the SizeGenetics extender, or another brand?

Time commitment: To me 4-5 hours a day of PE, coupled to academics, seems like a challenge. And yes, oftentimes I feel like the time I spend on PE could be better spent on something else. Especially in the months when there’s nicer weather and I’m confined to my house. Ironically, I dedicate a lot more time to PE than having sex or just being social. The same can be said of the time I’ve dedicated to working out..

Big Dick Porn: Well, I think the 6-7 inch penis is not to far off for that “Adam and Eve” type of female-oriented porn—you know: soft candle light, kissing, not too many POV shots—but the real hardcore stuff like Bang Brothers—there are some whopping penises in those videos! Not to mention Steele and old-school Ron “Woodchuck” Jeremy. I want penises like those guys (the rest of Ron Jeremy’s body—not so much!).

Big Dick Porn: Well, I think the 6-7 inch penis is not to far off for that “Adam and Eve” type of female-oriented porn—you know: soft candle light, kissing, not too many POV shots—but the real hardcore stuff like Bang Brothers—there are some whopping penises in those videos!

I agree. I don’t believe guys in porn are only my size. I think more on the order of 8+ inches. I know there’s a lot of bullshitting about size, but 7” is not that impressive. No offense meant to KFH. Also I believe mr. Jeremy is known as the “hedgehog” 😃. But he may have had length but not much girth.

Walter5169 - The Size Myth In The Porn Industry

Look at this post and read until the end of the thread.

I think penis size in porn varies a lot, with many performers on the upper end of average, but what most guys remember are those ‘whoppers’. Also, many of the guys in porn tend to have lean or just plain skinny bodies, which makes their penises look bigger. Personally, I’ve debated on losing size—both muscular and fat—to make my penis look bigger (maybe even be bigger, due to minimizing the fat pad in the pubic region). To put in perspective: I’m 47, 6 ft, weigh between 235-245 lbs with between 12-14 percent body fat (at least that’s what measured by skin calipers). I’ve been working out for decades, but definitely force feed myself to try to stay big. My natural body weight before working out was about 170-180 lbs and I think my penis issues started when I bulked up (I went to 245 lbs naturally, then used chemicals to get up into the 270s range for a while—I was still pretty hard at this weight I.e. Had cuts and some abs). This was before PE, when my penis was 6 inches (normal size), and I recall looking at it in the mirror, and it looked so small compared to my thighs.

On a related topic: The question often comes up "do steroids shrink the penis?" From experience, I’ve found that it’s often the opposite case: certain steroids have a potent red-blood cell building effect (formally: high "Erythropoietic Activity"). (This is why doctors prescribe certain steroids for anemia.) This is partially why guys, even when not that lean, get very vascular from certain steroids. Your body compensates for more red blood cells by increasing the blood fluid volume and the veins become more turgid. And this effect is significant—some bodybuilders give blood on a weekly (or more frequent basis), to try to keep blood volume (and subsequently blood pressure) down when on cycle.

The increased blood volume may cause the penis to get more turgid (swollen) when erect, compared to being off cycle. Steroids that have given me this effect include winstrol (Stanozol) and parabolan ("tren" or trenbolon). But steroids may make the testes shrink and sometimes hinder your ability to get an erection so I wouldn’t advocate going on steroids as a straightforward PE method. And this effect is only when on-cycle, in my experience. This topic is addressed in a video by current bodybuilder Rich Piana, who is very upfront about steroids and other drugs.

Secondly, I think a guys on this site would appreciate the interview in 1977 Oui magazine of Arnold Schwarzenegger, whose nude pics in Playgirl around that time showed a very average looking penis. He slammed PE with the statement (reiterated from The smoking Gun: Schwarzenegger’s Sex Talk | The Smoking Gun :

"Schwarzenegger even entertained a question about his penis size. When Manso asked, "Is your cock disproportionate to the rest of you?" Schwarzenegger replied, "Well, that depends on what you mean by disproportionate. The cock isn’t a muscle, so it doesn’t grow in relation to the shoulders, say, or the pectorals. You can’t make it bigger through exercise, that’s for sure." He added that "women have told me they’re curious about its size—you know, outgoing chicks who’re just trying to be outrageous or horny. I hear all kind of lines, including ‘Oh, you’re hurting me; you’re so big.’ But it means nothing. Bodybuilders’ cocks are the same size as everyone else.""

"You can’t make it bigger through exercise, that’s for sure." — Really, Arnold?! Sounds like you tried it, but didn’t commit to it like you did those pecs and biceps. In a player-hater-esque way that kind of makes me smile—at least I’ve got Arnold beat on one body part!

It’s fine, no offence taken. However, around 1 in 15 men have a penis of 7” BPEL. So if there were a complete scale of size, it’s fairly reasonable to view 7” BPEL as big and that would be very near the end of the spectrum. Also you have to take the fatpad into consideration and the variation between NBPEL and BPEL. All male performer’s in porn are ‘encouraged’ to keep in shape. This subsenquently means their fatpad is much lower than that of the average man. So, hypothetically, your 7.5” BPEL might not look that impressive because of your 1” fatpad, translating to a 6.5 NBPEL” penis compared to the male performer’s 7.5” BPEL that translates to 7.25” NBPEL because of his 0.25” fatpad.

Then of course there is camera manipulation, the use of certain lenses that distort the perception of size, getting the pornstars to perform in positions that exaggerate the male’s size, pumping before filming a scene, casting particularly petite women but casting them alongside short male performers with above average penis size, thus making both their short height difficult to notice but at the same time making the male performer’s penis look drastically bigger because of the distorted proportions.

There are so many tricks they use it’s crazy. Try thinking of it like this: according to the picture linked below, around 1 in 2,500 men have a 8.5” BPEL penis, bear in mind that’s an estimate from an average of 3 studies, so not definitive by any means. By that 1 in 2,500 statistic we can deduce that around 60,000 men in the United States have a 8.5” BPEL penis, or longer. Now, we subtract men who are too old for conventional porn, let’s say men over 40. Let’s make it nice and easy and half the figure. So 30,000 men, in the US, under the age of forty with a penis > 8.5 BPEL.

Now, it’s my personal opinion that not many men want to be in the porn industry if they thought about it long and hard (pun intended). Around 80% of people in America are religious, so we can rule 80% of men fucking young girls on camera for money out of the equasion due to their religious beliefs. Now these atheists and agnostics, how many of them believe working infront of camera in the porn industry is degrading or beneath them? How many discount it due to the amount paid per scene alongside the difficulty in getting bookings? Let’s say 4 in 5 men do (a conservative estimate imo). We’re now at 1,200 men that think they have what it takes to be in the industry and accept all the consequences that come with it.

I read an article a while back written by a femle porn producer. She mentioned the colossal amount of e-mails she received from random men begging to audition to be in porn. She said that only 1 in 20 of these men could actually stay hard during auditions, the rest succumbing to the anxiety infront of cameras and the production crew. So we’re down to 60 men who can actually stay hard infront of a group of people filming them having sex for anywhere up to two hours. An estimated 70% of men in the US are either overweight or obese, so we’re down to 18 men who aren’t too fat for porn. I’ve then forgotten to factor in sexual orientation of these men, if they suffer from erectile dysfunction or premature ejaculation, if they have physical disabilities that aren’t suitable for ‘conventional’ porn alongide a myriad of other variables. So, there aren’t really too many men at all who have over 8.5” BPEL and who are also eligible for the ‘Big Dick’ subgenre of the porn industry.

Of course this is just speculation and that average of 0.04% of men who have a penis that is > 8.5 BPEL in that group of studies could be far from the truth in reality, it could be 0.01%, 0.001% or even 0.1%. But it doesn’t really matter to the porn industry because they already have their ways of tricking the viewer into believing that all dicks in porn are really big, subsequently making the majority of men who watch porn feel inadequate about their size.

Hey guys, I have a question regarding penis extenders: Does anyone know of a PE enthusiast(s) who has worn the device (Size-Genetics or other) consistently for years? I’ve been using for going on 14 months now, which as I’ve elaborated on in prior posts, having made good gains. As stated, my typical schedule is 6x per week, 6-8 hrs per day, moderate traction.

I think if you don’t take some months out it will stop working. There are members who have used the device for years, but not much consistently as far as I know.

Well, KFH you shut me up. That was one well written and researched post. Holy shite. I guess I’ll try to get into porn then.