Is SizeGenetics a scam?

In regards to the above questions:

I do not manually stretch at all, but I do jelq.

In terms of force: I never understood how to quantify force (like in actually force units, like Newtons) on this apparatus. Instead what I do is lengthen the adjustment screws out as much as I can stand. As the day wears on (in between adjustments) I lower the screws down. As soon as I can ‘add a bar’ I do so, usually go without added traction for a few days, then beginning adjusting the screws again.

Soreness: Oh yes! I definitely chase after the pain and my 6-8 hrs of traction each day are no walk in the park. I keep as much tension on as I can take! If you workout with weights, imagine how your legs feel after doing ten sets of high-rep intense squats—that’s how my penis feels at the end of each day!

I haven’t taken steroids since my 20s (I’m 47) and never took HGH, so I don’t know how they would affect PE, but suspect the latter might be of benefit: HGH tends to make stressed tissue grow in my observation of friends who use this hormone (none do PE, however).

Job: I worked in academics until this summer. I’d get up at 4 am and wear the traction device to about 7 am then go to work. I’d put it back on after work (about 5-7 pm), lift weights and get an hour or two in after the gym, before bed. Without a doubt, getting in 6-8 hours of traction a day has taken away a lot from my social life (and, ironically, my sexual life). I had to resign from my position in July for family reasons, and have more time for PE now. (The company suggests you can wear this device in public or workplace—that is absolutely absurd!)

I try to jelq about 3 times per week, about 20-40 minutes per session, sometimes longer. I’ve been taking one rest day a week from traction and always jelq on that day. (When I jelq on traction days, I tend to jelq after I’m done with traction. I find it is hard to get to max flaccid length when my penis is slightly turgid post-jelqing.)

I am cut. I use the comfort strap on the SizeGenetics. What I do is: A) put foam ring they provide around penis, below glans, B) place a wide cock ring (more like a band) called a Titan over the foam; I find this helps me stay clamped in and acts as another barrier between my penis and the strap, C) pull my penis as hard as possible and strap in with the comfort strap (so its foam, cock ring, then strap), D) I take a shoelace and loop it through the two free holes in the comfort strap, loop around the back of the strap—I do this in such a way to prevent the strap from slipping out, E) Begin to adjust traction.

Once in a while I experiment with a new configuration or use the noose. Experiment with different configurations that suit your penis—it is a challenge to balance comfort, with safety, with having a secure enough setting not to slip out once tension is increased.

goinfor9inch in my opinion you should start a progress thread. You have great dedication and attention to detail.

I would also suggest you take good starting pics. You don’t ever have to share those with anyone, but you might want to look at them yourself later on.

secodn that, info might get lost in this thread.

goinfor9inch, you might check out other ADS options like a silicone sleeve. These are comfortable to wear during shopping or whatever. While they wont provide the same intensity they will keep your dick in an elongated state and wearing an extender before and after will be a contoniosu thing without a huge break for the tissue.

Dickerschwanz, I wear Stealth Innerwear (all three sleeves) to bed every night and started doing this about two months ago. This keeps my penis about 3/4 its length relative to its erect state. I find that my penis stays longer while soft (I am definitely in the ‘grower’ ilk and hope to evolve into a hybrid grower-shower!); like between 6.5-7 inches, compared to 4-4.5, that I sometimes shrink down to. I do traction for a significant fraction of my waking hours, and when at home slip on the Stealth between breaks in traction. I find keeping the Stealth on like this definitely makes getting back into the traction device easier, because I’m already partially stretched out.

I don’t wear the Stealth in public because (not boasting) my penis looks too large and it is very noticeable in my pants, even loose ones. Coincidentally, I’ve noticed two guys in my gym who definitely are bulging in an artificial way (a little to stiff, like they’re working out with erections) down there, which strongly suggests they are wearing an ADS and in my opinion that is vulgar to do in a public place, but to each their own. (I’d love to wear it to the gym if I could get away with it, because that is the time when my penis shrivels up the most.)

If Im in a social setting outside where a bulge would be a prob I tuck it between my legs which stays rather good cause of the sleeve.

But yeah can be a hassle…

Thanks so much for this detail explanation. You have always used the extender as hard as you can?
You seem to be using something like this https://www.goo gle.es/search?q … _53%3B252%3B200 . Like a metal brace ring.
Doesn’t your circulation get cut? Seems to be dangerous.
What about sex life and family visits? What excuse do you say?
In my case, having stretched for hours with all my arms strength makes me believe I won’t gain with a lower force like the extender provides. Extrapolating that to the gym, if you have been gaining lifting 30 pounds can you gain afterwards lifting 10 pounds doubling the repetitions?

Regarding your questions:

When I increase bars on my extender (SizeGenetics) for the first couple of days or so at the new setting I don’t extend. I don’t feel I need to to stress my penis, because I really force it into the new device setting I.e. I go up in bars as soon as I’m able to strap into it. After a few days I begin increasing the tension.

What I’m using is the SizeGenetics extender and the comfort strap and foam ring they provided, which is shown at their site. I rig this with a rubber Titan cock ring, which is a wide one I buy at Adam and Eve online. So it is: penis, foam, cock ring, then strap. This acts as a nice buffer. The SizeGenetics strap has some holes in the base of it and I loop a shoelace through to sort of secure the thing: I look the shoelace back around the proximal-to-body end of the comfort strap and tie-off on ventral side of penis. This simply holds it in place for me.

My circulation is impeded, but not totally cut off and I’m quick to take off the device, rub my penis a bit, and start over anytime my penis gets too cold. I poke my penis every now and again to make sure the head is not numb. I generally take the device off for a few minutes every hour or so and reset, assuring everything is OK in terms of circulation.

Sex life/family visits: I’m pretty much alone on my estate and only see folks in public so the visits is not an issue. I can also get out of the device within about 1 minute, so if a delivery person etc comes to the door I have no problem getting to the door. Honestly, my sex and social life have been impeded by the PE routine I am doing, but then again, when I could say the same thing when I was younger (20s) when I was heavily into bodybuilding. It is a time-sink issue: I have a 6 to 8 hour commitment to traction per day, also jelqing several times per week.. And then throw in my workouts, that take up 1-1.5 hrs a day, 5-6 days per week. My free time is pretty much taken up by this, right now.

A digression: Since you bring up a point about correlating PE gains to muscle gains via weight training, please let me reiterate something that was said about the latter endeavor, that I’ve always lived by and think may be applicable to PE. The great classic bodybuilder, Frank Zane, said onetime that workouts have several key components that must be considered (and are not mutually exclusive): A) Power, B) Volume, C) Form, D) The Pump. Some guys, like myself and guys like Dorian Yates, tended to make great gains with workouts that were often almost like power-lifting: short, very basic moves, low reps, very heavy weights. (This is not to say I abnegated high rep pumping). Others, like classic bodybuilder Serge Nubret, looked fantastic and swore by light weights, high volume, going for the crazy pump. Of course, when young lifters encountering this dichotomy in the muscle mags (or, these days, online) get confused, get into these protracted online arguments and often change what they are doing, when what they are doing is still giving them gains.

I think this analogous to what happens in the discussion of PE: some guys make gains using a very intense method(s) like hanging done for relative short sessions, others use more passive (but longer application) methods like an ADS and report gains. I’ve been doing something sort of in between: moderately long traction at pretty good tension, but probably not as much as if I was hanging a 10 lb plate off my penis. Honestly, I have not done enough methods to assess which is best. I do not know if the process is dynamic; by that I mean, over time your body adjusts and you need to try different routines. (I am still gaining with traction, albeit slowly.)

In my opinion, PE enthusiasts of today are very much like the bodybuilder of yesteryear (1940s and 50s and earlier)—I mean, how did people know that bench pressing was great for chest mass or chins made the back wide? They experimented, noted the gains (if any), and disseminated their results. Today we have the advantage of this great medium of the Internet and blogs like Thunder’s Place (thanks!) to share our knowledge and insights.

Great post.
Nothing worse then dogmatic or communist(to bring some politics in lol) approaches.

Going by feel and then carrying out by brain is a good approach to many things.
There is a great thread by bearded dragon Big Gainer Highlights which shows many approaches that all netted a gain.
All had in common that they digged into their invidual feelings and responses and adjusted their approach to that.

I definitely understand why one would think it a scam. I sure did. All the claims made on the site set off my bullshit detector. There’s even a you tube video of some British comedian who supposedly has a show and tried for two weeks so he could report on it and lo and behold .. The results were AMAZING! He gained 2” in that short time and you can too!! Well right away I was like obviously this was made by size genetics right? It seems like all you can find on the web are things like this that try to look impartial but turn out to be obvious shills paid to promote. I sprung for an extender that will go nameless and I feel so far the thing works. Just not in two weeks.

Thanks mate, when I first started at the gym I thought that was a sport for dumb asses with no intellectual level and big gainers trained hard but had their main gains from steroids.

Everyday I learn something new and those that are stronger are the wisest and specially well organized. You are a great example of that. I am nothing like that and that is why I am mediocre in both gym and PE maybe.

You go hard summit yourself to crazy schedules, you just get what you deserve. Congrats.

Having to wake up every single day at 4 must be hard, what do you do then. How do you live with the hassle of having to take it off every hour?

Thanks for the compliment quim. The biggest success I’ve gotten from being dedicated to working-out/bodybuilding is not some two dollar trophy or a strong bench; rather being able to apply the important things that I picked up in the gym ( like regiment and dedication, open-mindedness to the ideas others and creativity) to other endeavors, which as of late includes PE.

Honestly, the positive things you can pick up in the gym may help your PE. A strong healthy body will likely recover better when subjected to the stress of PE. Basic compound moves like squats, dead-lifts and rows up your testosterone and human growth hormone (especially if you’re in your teens or 20s), which should logically help PE. And of course a good diet with ample high-quality protein should speed recovery. And your penis looks bigger and more of the inner penis is exposed if you have reasonably low body fat.

I think I’ve made some good gains in the last 13 months from penis traction using the SizeGenetics device, despite being 47-years-old. I think my healthy lifestyle plays a big part in this and my gains may not translate to someone who smokes, drinks and doesn’t exercise.

Finally, working out/bodybuilding done to the level where you really transform your body—I am taking about achieving YOUR potential, not Ronnie Coleman’s or Lee Haney’s or Arnold’s (I.e. Guys with incredible genes for their sport)—involves setting (and adhering to) long term and short term goals. In my opinion this is probably the most applicable attribute of that endeavor as applied to PE. If you have a 6-inch penis, set a goal—I started there and wanted 8 inches. I wrote this down in my PE log (simply a Word doc). I drew up a game plan including contingency plans in case SizeGenetics didn’t pay off. I am close to that goal now at 7 and 7/8 inches erect. I want to go for 9 inches and then I will do maintenance work to keep my size—a 9 inch penis is plenty big in my opinion!

Please note, I am no stranger to failure, but I believe in setting goals that are challenging, sometimes lofty. When I was young I wanted to bench 500 lbs and squat 700. I didn’t ever achieve the first goal (but came close, doing in the upper 400s), but exceeded the second. My correspond muscular gains were great, going from 170 lbs to 240+ with similar body fat. And note, while I eventually took anabolics, I benched over 400 lbs naturally and over 600 lbs in the squat without any drugs. I put on over 50 lbs of muscle without any chemicals at all! Hell, this was the early 80s and we didn’t even have creatine and the protein powder was mainly sugar or tasted like gunk! Point is, I set really challenging goals and met them or came close, and went a heck of a lot further than I would of if I just sort of floated about in the gym (and when eating etc) like I see a lot of young guys doing. I set similar goals in academics, and have a graduate degree in a challenging subject. I have other goals that pertain to the creative arts that I work towards, as well.

Now apply this type of thinking to penis traction or hanging or whatever you method is to achieve your PE goals! (Can you clearly state your long and short term goals in PE? If yes, then write them down in a log and make them a definite entity, not some idea or whim that can be easily abandon! And what are your contingency plans if your current method doesn’t pay off?)

I think a 9 inch penis is on my horizon. I will not do EVERYTHING to achieve this goal it; frankly some methods seem dangerous to me, like injecting Caverject and PMMA polymers into the penis. Rather, I will make a reasonable and systematic effort and not jeopardize my penis (or overall) health.

Good luck in the gym and with the PE—Keep gaining!

Over 8inches NBP seems to me too much for most girls, specially if you are heavy and like to bang them.. You always mean BP?

I might take gym seriously in the future. I am a very tall athletic guy with a quick metabolism and having to take over 200g of protein and over 4000kcal is tricky if you are a student. If I try new exercise I progress but eventually I get stuck as my diet is good but might not reach every nutrient. (Fart , carbs, protein.)

Incredible you gained 2 inches with simple a SG genetic routine for 6-8h and a few long jelqing sessions and no strething!. How’s you jelqing session when you are tired? Does it suck too? I guess the fact you applied great tension in 1h sessions is key.

Has this been the first PE experience?

How much sacrifice you did? You said you even avoided sexual encounters for all this time? Couldn’t you just put on 6h on a Saturday before your date mate?

Crazy bodybuilders.. They achieve wonders!

In regards to your questions and comments:

My erect length is 7 7/8 inches, measured to the base of penis, not pressing in (I only started measuring pressed in for comparison to other guys on these sites, because that’s the way a lot of people seem to be measuring. If I really press into the pubic bone I am 8 1/8 inch—but really don’t consider this an 8 inch penis because I am only using 7 7/8 at most when having sex! (And I wear cock rings so I’m probably only going in 7.5 inches or so.)

I’ve had sex with a few women over the course of my traction (mainly gals I met on online sexually oriented dating sites). The ones who are in my age range (40s) seem to like the bigger penis (or at least I am using it with more confidence). I did meet a younger (late 20s) petite girl in the summer and was definitely bottoming her out and she wasn’t crazy about it, liking penises in the 5-6 inch range.

Diet: I know this blog is not the place for talking about bodybuilding nutrition, so I’ll be brief. For both thinner (ectomorphic) and heavier (endomorphic) body types, high protein intake is key. If you are thin with a quick metabolism, keep the quality carbs and fats high. 4000kcal is doable on a budget and student schedule: use a good animal (ex. Casein or whey—NOT soy) based protein, like Muscle Milk—you can easily suck down 50-100 g of protein a day via a protein like this and it is economical (try to buy it in bulk). Tuna is inexpensive and quick and no-preparation source of protein. I love deli roast chickens—eat a whole bird just about every day—and where I live they are pretty inexpensive and of course they come cooked. Carry food with you, eat every three hours. Don’t try to eat like a pre-contest bodybuilder; focus on power eating and growing if you are young with a quick metabolism.

SizeGenetics Routine: Yes, my PE is straightforward and I take an analogous approach to PE as my weigh training: stick to the basics; do it hard and intense; minimize the bullshit. I don’t passively use the stretcher, for example, yesterday I wore it 8 hrs 45 minutes. It’s on as I write (going on 7 hrs) and I pushed myself to a milestone today: I managed to add a bar to the side arms, and yank my penis hard enough to secure it at this setting for an hour. This is how I do it: I do whatever it takes to go up in bars (my main metric of progress) and begin to tether that setting in over time until I get used to it. Then I start upping the traction.

I will give an analogy: A buddy of mine whose been lifting for 25 years plus came to see me last year and we worked out. I do calves every other workout and have 19 inch diamond calves even at 47. He was like “ahh they just don’t grow”—and then I watched how he did them. He just would put 2x45 lb plates on the smith machine for standing calves and do sets of 12-15 and that’s it. I was like “slap on some plates—I don’t care if you are getting a burn with 2x45 or not!” and he did. A year later he’s up to doing 6x45 lb plates for the same rep scheme, and similar increase on other calf exercises. He’s put 1.5 inch on each calf and the shape has improved a lot.

This is applicable to traction. Always try to go up in bars and when you get used to that up the traction with the screws. Sure, as the day wears on you may have to lower traction—it’s just like training as you burn out as the workout progresses. But picture how much you chest would grow if you had the attitude “I’m just going to workout on bench press with 135 lbs; that’s it.” (Not much, right?)

Simple is often better. Traction seems to really impact my length, especially when I am erect, which is my main concern. The mechanism is not explored in any of the peer-reviewed papers I’ve read: Is it hypertropy (bigger cells in the corpus cavernosa and associated tissue)? Or is it hyperplasia (“new cells”, SizeGenetics purports this, but don’t cite any references to actual studies that measured cell numbers)? Or is traction stretching the ligaments and/or pulling the “inner” part of the penis out more? Or an combination of these effects?

Conversely, jelqing has added good thickness to my penis, which was pretty thick to start. Perhaps this is a capillary building process, sort of akin to doing super-high repetitions in bodybuilding.

In time I am going to try hanging weights—maybe not cutting SizeGenetics out (perhaps using it on non-hanging days). My gains from traction are coming, albeit at a much slower rate. Moreover, I cannot go on dedicating 6-8 hrs of PE a day with a method like penis traction. Please, do not buy what guys on the websites for these products say, namely (paraphrasing) “They hardly even know it is on.” Believe me, I know that my penis is undergoing traction as soon as the device is on, and it ranges from slightly annoying to moderate discomfort, depending how many hours it’s been on. I don’t get used to it (like some guys claim), because as soon as it feels OK, I up the tension or add a bar. I think that is why I grow.

I’ve been reading about hanging on Thunders and other sites and it seems like a time tested and productive method. I like the idea that I may be able to do a really intense workout, on the time scale of 1-2 hrs a day, either daily or every other day and make gains. I will give this a try in the spring most likely.

Regarding my jelqing sessions: I give traction my priority because I have a thick penis (now 6 inches in circumference) but still want length. I try to jelq every other day, but sometimes rest 2 or more days if I am really getting those long traction sessions in ( 8 hrs or more). I always jelq after traction, because the latter takes priority. I found that jelqing in midday makes my penis slightly swollen for hours and I cannot stretch my penis out to max length in the traction device.

This is my first PE experience; I did begin jelqing a few months before traction. Frankly, when I was younger I was convinced the only way to a larger penis was surgery, which I didn’t want!

I’ve made a lot if sacrifices in my social life for this. I cannot imagine someone going outside while in traction (maybe if they have micropenis!), and there are plenty of days I know the bluefish or striped bass are running (I am a avid fisherman and live near the water) and I am stuck inside. I also enjoy creative writing, but the annoyance of traction really hinders my creativity and I spent my time in traction either proof reading or editing—and save writing new material for creative bursts when the device is off.

I’m 47, so having sex all the time is probably not as big a priority for me as a college age guy, like you. I notice I have sex about 50% ( or less) these days compared to before traction (I keep a record or my workouts, PE etc and do record when I have sex). It is simply the time that PE takes up—I am not as active looking for women to have sex with now that I’m doing PE. On that note, it’s really hard for me to image in guy with a wife or living with a woman to do PE like I do it. How many women would tolerate a guy walking around the house with a traction device under his sweats? And how many women would tolerate “Not tonight.I’ve got to get my traction hours in” ? Not too many, I think.

You wrote a great post with lots of info, and I am going to ask about something barely related to it.

What sexually oriented dating sites do you use? (This is a serious question)

Now in regards to your full post, I think you would do great at hanging

You have the perfect mentallity for it. There is a thread on another forum about “managing fatigue” and it is very similar to your way of thinking. In my opinion it just allows a maximum effectiveness for your time. I will read of hangers who hang more sets than me and they don’t gain. They never upped the weight to a level that does anything.

Hello. In regards to your question, the sexually oriented dating site I’m referring to is Adult Friend Finder (AFF). I had pretty good luck there; when I had a paid gold membership (that allows you to visit other members, message etc) I met 5 women over the course of the year whom I went out with, three of whom I had sex with right off the bat (pretty much all I’m looking for). I’ve tried other sites, like the popular Plenty of Fish (POF), but in my experience, this site is very much oriented toward dating with intent for a long-term relationship. It is biased against men (you cannot even show a shirt-off photo, while women can wear bikinis etc; men can’t send photos while women can etc). Not for me..

In regards to the hanging: I am definitely going to try it and be systematic in terms of sets, rest and most importantly, weight progression. The main problems with penis traction devices, like SizeGenetics, are two fold:
1) You have to use them for many hours, daily or near daily (I do 6-8 hours, 6 days per week consistently), and this definitely is not something some guy with a 9-to-5 and/or a family could reasonably manage.
2) Once you crank up the tension (using the side screws) you have problems with slipping out. This is where traction powder, and experimenting with rigging your penis in the strap or noose are critical. But I have not found a rigging that is 100% free of slipping, reasonably comfortable, and doesn’t cut off circulation yet.

To be frank, 6-8 hrs or penis traction 6 days per week is psychologically abrading—and should be! This 6-8 hours represents a long stretch of time I cannot leave the house—not too big of a deal in mid-winter in the N. USA, but come spring—boy, those are some long hours to be confined to your house!

I am thinking along the lines of buying a Bib- or Manhanger that I’ve seen online—look like similar products and the guys who make them seem like legit PE enthusiasts who are trying to make some money, which is fine. I am going to try doing hanging every other day at first: maybe a morning session (3-4 sets about 15-20 minutes each) then repeat at night. Perhaps I will wear Stealth between sessions to keep my penis from turtling up (The Stealth is not traction, but keeps me about 3/4 my erect length and is very comfortable.) I may keep wearing SizeGenetics on the non-hanging day, and jelqing a couple of times per week. I will be open minded: if hanging gives good results I may drop traction and switch over to hanging 100%.

Like I’ve said in a few posts: I think (despite the disparity in tissue types) that there is a similarity in how to stimulate growth in PE and bodybuilding. For old-school bodybuilders and weight lifters who may be reading, you know that the stimulation of growth in muscle has been debated—the two (extreme) schools of thought being high volume training (Like Arnold and most 70s body builders did) versus Heavy Duty (Mentzer) or its spin-off, HIT (Dorian Yates). In my opinion, both models can work if you stick with it, but there is a mind-muscle link that should be addressed on an individual basis—training optimally is a function of the mindset of the person. I like a system in the middle—a fair amount of volume (e.g. 15-20 sets for a body part like chest) but with high intensity (going to failure on many of the post-warmup sets). This is how I want to design my PE program: I am hoping the penis can be stimulated with enough intensity for 1-2 hours a day via hanging that it equates to a 6-8 hour penis traction regime.

On a scientific note: I am hoping that the main metric that is most relevant to PE gains is impulse (Force x time) not just time. That was I can keep the time short (compared to traction) and really increase the weight (which is a measure of force) and not have to do PE for hours. I always thought this was the crux of the argument between the weight training models described above—the total impulse the muscle is perhaps the best metric to associate with growth; not time, volume, or force exerted for a single lift etc.