Limits Of Length Gain Without Ligament

In reading about hanging, ligament stretching, surgery to release ligaments.. I am curious what the potential for gain is if the ligament is removed.

Is there only x amount of “internal penis” which can be advanced or through the effects of various forms of PE post surgery are the gains more dependent on effort and how the body responds?

The predisposition vs free will question of the PE world.

All depends on who you ask…some say it’s not lig gains some say it is. There’s no real medical research behind PE. There is behind the surgery but even that has a paid opinion behind it.

I’m inclined to believe that there is no limit to it per se. There is of course the whole diminished returns issue, as the anecdotal evidence on these boards suggests. But even some 9-/10-inchers are still at it, slowly continuing to gain as they go. I doubt that much of that is ligaments.

Your penis is essentially connective tissue and so-called smooth muscle. I don’t see why there would be limits, in theory anyway. Everything is tissue, everything can be stretched. Even your bones.

I’m of the believe that removal of the ligament is counterproductive long term. That if you remove the ligament you change the composition of the penis and the concept of inner penis is lost. By stretching it the ligament will release more of the inner penis and it will continue regenerate to a certain level to allow for a strong base for the penis.

This is the only feasible reason gaining 5 plus inches can happen with hanging. Because if you cut the ligament you basically have brought out all of the inner penis you have and no more seems forthcoming. So what you get is what you’ll have and it doesn’t ever seen to be close to 5 inches from surgeries.

Oh, he was asking about *cutting* the ligaments? :-O I completely misunderstood the question then. Sorries.

Both TG and HLAG have interesting perspectives.

Like HLAG I too believe that there is no limit per se. That the tissue can continue to grow in response to stimuli. TG’s perspective that the ligament also continues to grow sounds valid.

TG do you believe that growth is limited by inner penis or that growth is the result of effort and potential?

The latter. In my opinion as long as the inner penis continues to exist and is moored by the ligament that suspends the entire penis then you can continue to draw the inner penis outward. If you remove the suspensory ligament what you are stressing with hanging no longer exists. There is nothing else left to request to grow other than a free-standing penis. Which because it lacks the ligament is unlikely to form and grow the way you wish to. The ligament give the penis a full structure and definition, almost like a foundation to grow from.

This is my personal thought.

Fully agree with this. In fact, to me there is something dodgy about the whole notion of achieving length gains by coaxing the inner penis out of the body (let alone cut the ligaments) - not that it doesn’t work, clearly it does, but I can’t help but think it’s a less than optimal approach. It’s partially in there for a reason, no? Stability, erection angle, safety etc.

I’d much prefer to get all my length gains from increasing the length of the external portion of the shaft. This is, I believe, what I’m achieving with my routine that consists solely of fulcrum stretches. I’m still a newbie, so obviously I may not have the best grasp on either theory or practice. But I like to think I’m on to something, considering the results I’ve had so far.

I believe the most scientific way to be able to figure out what is going on over a period of time would be for someone to bite the bullet and pay for a MRI on their erect penis and then do PE for 3 years and do another MRI then you could tell exactly where the gains came from. Internal/external growth or lig stretch

Would you agree that if someone did fulcrum stretches only and nothing else, and gets length gains, that they would be relatively unlikely to be from elongating the ligaments?

The tunica is the only part where I feel the stretch. Nothing in the ligaments.

In my opinion I think that where ever you apply force is where the cellular growth will occur. The routine you use decides where growth comes from

When I hang SD or BTC I feel it all in my ligs…so the idea of where you apply force makes sense. And I agree an MRI would be the only way to know for sure what’s growing.

I think there is a limit to gaining which varies from person to person. Probably in the range of 2-5 inches for most people. Think of some of the world’s most elite power lifters. They are superhuman and even they are nearing the limit of what the human body is capable of — why wouldn’t such a limit exist for something like PE?

Why would such a limit exist for PE?

Muscles need a precise combination of fat, fluids, supplements, fuel and trauma to advance and genetics to get the furthest possible.

PE generally does not need anywhere near that level of precision and we are not creating complex, load bearing and power generating muscle that is tied to bone. Nor are the maximum proportions of our penises directly tied to a body build or bone structure like muscles when body building.

The biggest gainers have no commonalities physically that I’ve seen. Not age, race, body build, fitness level or fat proportions. In the most elite power lifters you see a lot of the same physical markers for a reason. But out of all the guys I’ve coached I’ve seen nearly no one I’d say was reasonably similar or identical. Which in power lifters at the top end of the spectrum you see a lot of similarities, with good reason.

The only limiting factor I’ve seen in PE is time the practicioner is willing and able to be productive. Anyone who has mastered PE will keep gaining indefinitely, as long as they are willing and putting the effort forward.

People will quit when they get to where they want to go. They generally are not limited by anything physical other than their ability to figure out the next best step to continue forward. Plateaus are merely a matter of not having the optimum routine. They are not a matter of there being no further means forward.

“moored by the ligament that suspends the entire penis then you can continue to draw the inner penis outward.”

Very awesome analogy… Good theory too.. I was going to have length & girth surgery w belloderm done before I discovered this website.. Glad I didn’t waste the money. Much happier with my all natural gains, and the potential may be better in the long run going all natural is your theory here is right.