No Gains After 7 Months

I think the consensus on plateaus is that a deconditioning break can overcome them. I don’t know if a deconditioning break is absolutely necessary since I haven’t focused on testing it and there doesn’t seem to have been much investigation into whether or not PE exercises can just be reduced to restart growth.

I’ve had good results for girth from light pumping. Of the techniques for girth that I’ve tried, I think pumping is the best way to go, though I’ve experienced a faster rate of girth gain from clamping it seems to lead to a plateau.

Cool dude, thanks again for your replies and help. One more thing if I may ask as I’m unfamiliar w pumping but am down to give it a shot..

What type of pump? Wet or dry?

How much pressure and for how long do you suggest pumping to see gains?

Is it something I ease into?

Thanks man

1. Depending on where you are located I would look into either a Leluv or Thickwall pump (there are a few other brands around too other members suggest so look around if you’d like), I can attest to the Thickwall brand and they do ship world-wide. One thing to note with the brands I mentioned and most other suggestions you will see they will be on the more expensive side, but pumping equipment is very much you pay for what you get. You could also get a cheap one off amazon or in almost any sex shop for far cheaper to test the waters but I wouldn’t suggest using one long term and only go that route with the intention of upgrading if you plan on sticking with pumping. Secondly, if you do go the proper equipment route be sure to take a look at the sizing chart, either on a manufacturer website or the one here on Thunders before placing an order.

2. I myself strictly do wet or water pumping. There has been a lot of discussions on Thunders regarding this topic and some users do it others don’t. I have some other opinions/theories besides the one I am going to leave here but with those aside the greatest argument for water I will leave for you is Heat. Pumping with water equals warm water which equals heat. If youve been doing PE for any amount of time youve already seen the overwhelming discussion surrounding heat when doing PE, and will most likely not come across a disagreement to using it. Now of course you don’t need to use warm water when pumping to add heat, some members use Infrared-Lights or heating blankets or even thermal tubes/blankets placed around the tube to acquire heat while pumping. And while all of these solutions are valid you should do the one that’s easiest for you, in my case that is water. Again I have some additional arguments, as do others, surrounding the pros of using water when pumping but you can find those discussions elsewhere on Thunders. If you buy a proper pump and wish to use water, be sure to purchase a water-trap, you can find an example of one on Thickwalls accessories or in any brake-bleeder kit online.

3. For routines there are some really nice guides all over Thunders, I think most members end up finding something that’s an amalgamation of different and personal opinions. I will suggest however that pumping sessions do not need to be long so keep them short. IMO 10-15minutes is a good marker to get out of the Tube message a bit to introduce new blood flow before going back in. This also doesn’t need to be an accumulated hours worth of repetitions. Three even two of these shorter sessions can be done in tandem for a nice expansion. You will also need to recognize that you will see “immediate” gains with pumping, this while nice, means almost nothing. Don’t get over excited and start ramping to all day sessions just to chase that immediate satisfaction, as your most likely only inducing edema past the 20minute mark and not stimulating any growth stimulating expansion. Just like any exercise pumping takes time, but if done correctly and consistently you may start to see some actual growth (ie. no pumping needed) within a month or two, results may vary. As for pressure the magic ticket seems to be 3-5hgs especially to start. Be mindful that you may experience some spotting, bruises and edema and can exasperate this process by doing to long of sessions or using to high of Hgs to start out. Pumping does take some conditioning and patience at the beginning.

4. Yes. I already stated it above but its a good thing to say twice. Pumping is a high stress routine and new users should make sure to take their time and be patient at the start. You will most likely see all of the big 3 negative PI’s at some point (spotting, bruising and, edema), so don’t panic. Take your time and build up to a point where you can begin experimenting with different times, Hgs, dynamic/static and other variants on your own.

Lastly go to the Pumping section here on Thunders and take a look around, read the pumping 101, the great pumping threads posts and others. Lots of new and veteran users have shared the good the bad and the ugly for more new people to learn from. If you go about pumping correctly I can almost guarantee you wont ever look back, lots of users, myself included, that only pump for PE. Goodluck!

I prefer using a standard acrylic cylinder like the leluv ones. ABS works too, but the plastic where the hose attaches tends to snap off for me (though it is an easy fix with super glue). I also prefer a modified aquarium pump to hand held pumps. I prefer static pumping to dynamic pumping.

I have tried water pumping, though not with a bathmate. The post pump size does last longer and there is faster expansion, but water pumping is more hassle-some than pumping with air for me.

I have been using 5 inHg for 20 minutes every other day to good result. When I restarted pumping, my length gains were lagging and at one point I added a low weight hanger (.5lbs.) and switched to a narrower cylinder which seemed to accelerate length gains and also reduced middle shaft girth from 6.25" to 5.8". I am hoping to reproduce this apparent conversion of girth to length once I’m confident I’ve reached a stable 6.25" girth again.

Can girth be converted to length by pumping with a thinner tube?

I’m not certain that starting at a lower vacuum pressure like 1 inHg is necessary, but I don’t think it would hurt anything. I just don’t have experience with starting pumping with an unconditioned penis. The first time I tried pumping I had been doing aggressive clamping and went up to very high pressures in excess of 15 inHg immediately. During my restart of PE after about a decade break, I went straight into 5 or 7 inHg without any issues.

So I’m pretty new to this, Should I start pumping as soon as or start jelqing?

I don’t think there’s enough information to make a recommendation on whether or not someone should start with pumping yet. The consensus right now seems to be that pumping should be done after first conditioning the penis, but I think that what people mean by pumping is too varied to throw it all into the category of techniques that require conditioning to do more safely. There’s a big difference between 5 inHg pumping and 25 inHg pumping in terms of the stresses it puts on the penis, I don’t think it should all be lumped into the same category. Lower vacuum pressures are advised by urologists for ED and post prostate removal recovery pretty regularly without any instruction to first condition the penis.

I’d like to know what happens when a person that’s new to PE starts out with low vacuum pressure, low time, penis pumping.

If I was just starting out with PE for the very first time, I would start with exclusively penis pumping. I’d probably start with a low vacuum pressure like 1 inHg and gradually, week by week, move up to a maximum of 5 inHg. I would do it for 20 minutes every other day and resist the urge to do more than that.

Whatever route you decide to take, it would be good for the community to report back your results, whether they’re good or bad, so we can get a clearer picture of best practices.

I’ve been doing 10 minutes pumping with the bathmate hydroamax 4 days a week. I havent notice much difference. I don’t seem to notice any temp gains either?

To notice that thread right after I wrote my new report - was a big wow!
I feel pity on the author of the thread, as I laughed a bit during reading the first post, but understand the real problem here.

My first gains were SICK easy, but I was performing routine not from this forum. Just used a description from one “penis enlarging gel, that amplifies bloodflow”.
Despite easy gains (2nd line of my signature) - I faced a big plateau later.
Core trouble that I found out - girth and length exercises nullifies their opposites. So, when I was combining jelq and stretching - my growth just dampened and full-stopped almost. While performing only stretching - provided steady growth of 1-3 mm per month.
Also, recently I bought my first pump and it really changes game’s rules. With pump you simply can’t say, that you are not growing :)

I run PE since 2014 with some interruptions, if my experience matters for author.

A couple of things- timing and “lock out.”

Lockout is difficult to recognise, but basically if you have a healthy dick with really hard erection, once the penis gets itself rigid, it “locks out” and any and every attempt to PE is not going to work. It’s like an in built defence mechanism, and I think it is more acute on some than others. So either get on the case at 60-70% with serious manuals while he is on the way up, or wait till your drive is exhausted, and get him on the way down.

Timing, well look at your blood sugar levels and the effects they have on your dick, work about 45mins to one hour after eating a healthy-ish meal. remember, blood is drawn to the stomach after eating, and so dick-play is not good at that time. However, once the blood starts to move away from the gut, at that point you may have “urges” and this is a great time to get stuck in with PE. This surely must be a good time to send nutrient filled blood into the cells of your dick.
But certainly, if you are young, dumb and full of cum, then hard erections will be plentiful and lock out will not be your friend.

HTH

So what is your new routine now then?

Not sure exactly what you’re referring to tbh…I do my manuals at ~60-70%

Improvements in Newbie Routine for length gains
Here is my thread, Switched to pump only at the end of April