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Improvements in Newbie Routine for length gains

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Improvements in Newbie Routine for length gains

Technical questions about Newbie Routine - my previous Thread and experience, or we could say - the beginning of the story.

Hi guys previous month I was anxious about my techniques and their difference from the ones in videos. I was happy after getting some gains, but without solid measurement of initial capabilities - it was not so trustworthy even for myself.
So, this month I aimed at polishing my own technique(either prove it right or wrong) and to check growth steadily.

Writing this post I wonder to start with the results, process or some “discoveries” of my own. So, I’m making 3 BIG paragraphs here for easier reading and looking for information somebody likes the most.
SORRY, I can’t use inches in measures and tiring to recalculate all in them.

DISCOVERIES

1) My time-table was quite unstable during month, so I almost randomized training days and days off. Sometimes it was 5-1, 2-1, 4-1, once it was 3-2 or 5-2. Can’t remember clearly. But still, it worked nicely in 2 ways at once - no discomfort feelings during or after training and training provided gains. So, currently I’m hell relaxed about how often or in which sequence I take days off.

2) Jelqing even with warming up and quite liquid gel makes skin on my penis more shabby. I’m not sure how bad it is currently or is it the effect only from jelq or no, but I decided on 2nd week of the month to get rid of the jelq training for some time.

3) NEVER start PE training early in morning or before you cum 1st time in current day. Here I mean sexual attraction and desire to cum. In my 23 year old, if I try doing PE before having sex today or masturbating, the training goes wasting by 1/3 or even 1/2, because
A) You fight against your erection level, which easily reaches 100%+ level
B) You fight against your desire to cum, which is hell stronger than the 2nd or the 3rd one in one day(no, edging and preventing to come is cool thing for future sex and to make “wow effect” for woman, but it really doesn’t help actual training) (also, pure masturbation makes penis less sensitive, so you enlarge your time pool without negative troubles, not to say about the cut ones among us)
C) You lose your temper and patience way more easily
D) Unconsciously you give less time to your training, reducing it’s efficiency and possible positive gains/effects.

4) I discovered 3 stages of erection for myself and they really matters, as each 3 provide different measures of capabilities as well as different feels for your woman (or man, if gays reading here it too)).
A) morning boner or “pant boner” - I could say, that it is cool, solid boner, but in my case it reduces maximum size of penis in erected state by 2-3 cm. So, measuring in such condition could really hit your happiness and gain expectations.
B) “masturbating boner” or petting boner - this one reduces possible penis size for me currently by 1-1,5 cm, also this type of erection for me provides a bit more girth. The visual difference is the one, that penis seems more saturated with blood.
C) “ejaculating boner”, “boner towards 10-mark girl” or just rock hard boner - in this one state I measured my gains in previous month and in current one too. I started to differ it from previous one, as in this state penis just inflates with blood pressure, base of penis gains 10-25% of additional girth and trembles a bit according to heartbeat (like it sometimes painted in hentai). So, you know, it is a state when penis just rockets upwards without any help with hand and you can even put a dumbbell on it without negative effects.

PROCESS

Well, where should I start here? First week of the month went for me quite similarly as in previous month, which I described in thread stated upwards, still using the same pen-building gel and so on.
Small difference could only be that I really rejected all ideas about trying “longer PE training”. Moreover, due to time-table changes I ensured to finish each of my PE training in 15-20 minutes.
Also, during first week I agreed with myself that length gains for me more important, because
1) girth is quite ok currently in comparison with overall penis body
2) girth gains harder to notice and get (harder to track also)
3) length gain - is a solid gain!) I mean your woman or next sex-partner would more “wow omg” from length, than from extreme girth.

Independently from marks stated up here about how interested I’m in length gains - I had to stop jelqing training somewhere on second week of the month.
I was really enjoying them, felt their impact on penis, but the skin.. Yes, it hit me a bit, as it somehow became way more shabby than it was before.
As I’m uncut I’m not even solid sure that this “shabyness” isn’t “skin growth effect”(if one exists) from PE training in last months, but I really didn’t like how my hand feels it, so I made a decision.
Positive part here, that this “discomfort” didn’t reduce my will to improve my penis capabilities and I’m still encouraged to grow. So, I just set my attention on stretching and length gains.

Somewhere on second and third week I ensured and polished my “Pure stretching training”, which I run still. I enjoy it mostly, because it gives COOL flaccid gains, so that your flaccid pen starts to hang greatly longer(1,5-2,5 cm) after 3-4 days of repeating it. Also, this “flaccidness” surely then becomes solid gain in full erection.
I would describe it in most details, as it gave me cool improvement in only these 3 or less weeks.

1) My bathroom has heating floor, so overall temperature something near 25-28 C, which fastens warm-up stage along with pen-building gel I’m using.

2) After applying the gel I massage penis for around 1 minute for better relaxation.

3) 2 minutes I stretch my penis in right and left directions (1 minute each). Even this I do not do like it in videos.
Somehow, I could say that my Stretching technique in a bit of combination of jelq and stretch.
A) So, I use ONLY reversed-OK-grip on penis starting from the base of it.
B) Next “movement” of hand is a slide towards penis’s head, along with touching and a bit squeezing it.
B2) During ALL movement of hand, along the body of the penis, I pull penis away from it’s base and squeeze a bit.
C) When first hand reaches penis’s head and makes “last” tension pull of it. I start same slide movement with second hand, using same reversed-OK-grip. It’s my stretching.

So, the movement could be similar to one many of you use in jelqing, but I don’t do it, trying to bring more blood with it into penis. I squeeze it’s body within the movements and create tension on it’s body by a smooth slide of hand, BUT - with pulling penis away from it’s base.

4) After stretching in 2 directions I start simple and straight stretching in one direction for around 8-15 minutes(depends on mood and free time).
Previous month I was doing this stretch directing the head of penis towards the floor, so it was downward stretching technically.
But this month I became tired of staying bending over for all this time and started laying 1-2 towels on toilet. Doing stretches sitting on toilet with both covers lowered.

So, the actual technique here is similar to the one I used for initial stretching in 2 directions.
Small difference here that I stretch penis not along my body, like I do this in right-left part, but directing it between my legs.
Like this it is easier and I can apply more pull-out tension on penis at each stretching move.

Describing it simply:
1) Sit down on edge of the toilet(warmed-up pen and so on)
2) Taking penis by it’s base with reversed-OK-grip with FIRST HAND, but using whole hand (like if you hold beer can or bottle)
3) Starting smooth slide move along penis’s body
3,5) During all movement pull penis away from yourself (like you pull elephant by his trunk, if too big comparison - then pull the cat by her tail, but without stopping hand on one spot of tail)
4) Reaching the end of penis’s head use SECOND HAND the same way - reversed-OK-grip at penis’s base and slide movement along penis’s body, touching with whole hand.

So, this is how I’m doing still my Pure stretching training even now. As I use mostly reversed grip for it - I even gained some additional muscles on my biceps and chest xDD Because for first several days my arms were ached from 15-20 minutes of exercise.

RESULTS

At 08.02.2018 I measured that I was something near 17 cm long and 4,5 cm in girth.
Today I measured once again my penis at it’s peak erection before ejaculation, after PE stretching training for today, and it clearly reached 18 cm mark.
Girth without jelq remained mostly the same, but body of my penis isn’t strongly straight, so in some spots it has less than 4,5 girth.

I’m measuring all this time using one linear of my own. As my penis has a bit of angle towards crotch (similar to one, which regular bananas have, but not big one, around 5-15 degrees), I have to straighten it along with linear for clearer measures.
Without “fighting against angle” measure still shows gain around 5-7 mm.

At the end of this month without jelq I clearly feels difference, that “weight gain” of penis previously was from jelq training.
In current state I mostly feel gain of flaccid length, like if I was walking all time with dumbbell tied to penis.
Also, my body shows that gain - previous month it was around of one finger thickness between penis head and my belly button.
Now, the edge of penis head clearly reaches belly button and improves my mood significantly!))

As I think myself, this gain was mostly thanks to only Stretching training for most time during month and my a bit unique technique of performing them.
My girlfriend also noticed that gain during sex and was surprised how I once again grow)) She don’t know that I do PE, but I think she suspects)

In conclusion, I would recommend my way of stretching for guys, who really lacks length or feels troubles to observe significant gains. I’m myself also would like to hear some opinions from more experienced members here.
Still, feel free to ask me any questions!

P.S. Sorry for no photos, if it matters. Can’t afford them, but brand of my gel could name easily and with picture.

Is it ok?


1st) Before knowing PE ----------------- 14.0 cm length (5.51 inch), 11 cm girth (4.33 inch)

2nd) PE-like exercises for 3 months -- 16.0 cm length (6.30 inch), 12 cm girth (4.72 inch)

3rd) ThundersPlace's expertise help - 18.4 cm length (7.24 inch), 13 cm girth (5.12 inch) 4th) Routine's re-shape ----------------- 18.6 cm length (7.32 inch), 13.1 cm girth (5.16 inch)

Thanks for the thorough explanation of your method. I have jelqed on and off for some periods, but due to lack of free time (wife, kids and work) I have not had the consistency to spend the time or adhere to the regularity of the sessions needed. My main issue has probably been impatience, I started jelqing when I was in my early twenties, but I think I was too impatient, looking only at the number of strokes and not the time pr. Stroke. So after some months I gave up when I didn’t see any results. Some years later, I gave it at try again, but with same result. Two years later, I purchased a Bathmate Hercules, and followed the instructions rigorously for 3 weeks, but I did not see any notable results other than a lot of under skin puncture bleeding and a perversely amount of retained fluid ind the skin and especially in the foreskin. I quit the Bathmate. Later I bought a Male edge penis stretcher, which was painfully uncomfortable, even though I followed the instructions and put the hours in every day, after a few months the damm thing broke.

Two and a half year ago, I stumbled upon the VLC Tugger, I bought one and used it intensively for a couple of months or so, but with declining effort, regarding hours (I was starting in a new job and had an other child so things were rather stressed). Eventually I stopped. Then in late november 2017 I took up wearing the VLC Tugger again and put quite a lot of hours in, but I am not sure if it works, however I do believe that it has softened the penile ligaments, and my flaccid stretched length is somewhat on par with, or above my erected length from when I was in my early twenties. I have without any consistency or system at all, occasionally supplemented my all day stretching with shorter jelqing sessions and manual stretching sessions as well as occasionally some Bahtmate sessions ( 10 min pumped, 10 min rest, repeated 4-5 times). Lately I have introduced hanging with 1,5 kg, for 20 min on and 20 min off with jelqing, stretching and massaging for blood flow. Repeated 4-5 times)

I am sorry for the wall of text above.

Is it correctly understood that your stretching sessions, are around 20 minutes?
If so, how many sessions and one or more? And do you supplement with anything?

Best regards.

John eel

Originally Posted by John eel
Thanks for the thorough explanation of your method. I have jelqed on and off for some periods, but due to lack of free time (wife, kids and work) I have not had the consistency to spend the time or adhere to the regularity of the sessions needed. My main issue has probably been impatience, I started jelqing when I was in my early twenties, but I think I was too impatient, looking only at the number of strokes and not the time pr. Stroke. So after some months I gave up when I didn’t see any results. Some years later, I gave it at try again, but with same result. Two years later, I purchased a Bathmate Hercules, and followed the instructions rigorously for 3 weeks, but I did not see any notable results other than a lot of under skin puncture bleeding and a perversely amount of retained fluid ind the skin and especially in the foreskin. I quit the Bathmate. Later I bought a Male edge penis stretcher, which was painfully uncomfortable, even though I followed the instructions and put the hours in every day, after a few months the damm thing broke.

Two and a half year ago, I stumbled upon the VLC Tugger, I bought one and used it intensively for a couple of months or so, but with declining effort, regarding hours (I was starting in a new job and had an other child so things were rather stressed). Eventually I stopped. Then in late november 2017 I took up wearing the VLC Tugger again and put quite a lot of hours in, but I am not sure if it works, however I do believe that it has softened the penile ligaments, and my flaccid stretched length is somewhat on par with, or above my erected length from when I was in my early twenties. I have without any consistency or system at all, occasionally supplemented my all day stretching with shorter jelqing sessions and manual stretching sessions as well as occasionally some Bahtmate sessions ( 10 min pumped, 10 min rest, repeated 4-5 times). Lately I have introduced hanging with 1,5 kg, for 20 min on and 20 min off with jelqing, stretching and massaging for blood flow. Repeated 4-5 times)

I am sorry for the wall of text above.

Is it correctly understood that your stretching sessions, are around 20 minutes?
If so, how many sessions and one or more? And do you supplement with anything?

Best regards.

John eel

It is ok, as I type much too.

About duration - I would say that I’m rarely reach 20 minute mark, but always do 12 mniutes as a minimum.
Per day it is always one session only. In terms of weekly basis - something like 4-1 or 5-1. Rarely skipping days actually.

My only supplement as I typed in both threads - warming gel. It is russian brand, but I’m surely there is substitutes on EU-US markets.
The composition of gel consists ginger, ginseng extract, extract of horse chestnut, Ginko-Biloba and Muira-Poima. Sorry for not latin names, can’t find ones on sites.

Overall training I do only with hands, so no special pumps or extenders

Thank you, I seems fairly doable with this small amount of time.

Pardon me for the questions asked that you had already answered in the other tread, I somehow confused the treads.

I have never given any thought to the lubricant, and just used whatever body lotion or cream that was at hand. Is the intake via the skin, of the supplements composed in the cream/ gel actually efficient. I am taking fish oil, garlic, normal vitamin complex, and turmeric for general health and L-arginine and a mix of 1 tablespoon of cayenne pepper and 1 tablespoon of ginger dissolved in water, for PE specifically.

Originally Posted by John eel
Thank you, I seems fairly doable with this small amount of time.
Pardon me for the questions asked that you had already answered in the other tread, I somehow confused the treads.
I have never given any thought to the lubricant, and just used whatever body lotion or cream that was at hand. Is the intake via the skin, of the supplements composed in the cream/ gel actually efficient. I am taking fish oil, garlic, normal vitamin complex, and turmeric for general health and L-arginine and a mix of 1 tablespoon of cayenne pepper and 1 tablespoon of ginger dissolved in water, for PE specifically.

Nah, the answers somehow changed this month and I wonder how to run my exercise further, so all ok.

I’m not that big chemist, just know that gels for Pen-building mostly composed around amplifying of bloodflow. So, I’m only regularly buying the one I showed in previous post.

As a whole, if you try to combine something by yourself, I’m sure that garlic and vitamin complex quite useless for PE. As vitamins can’t be absorbed through the skin and garlic just don’t have any positive effects on penis, bloodflow or muscles

The supplements I mentioned are all taken orally. I do believe, that garlic specifically has a proven effect on the cardio vascular system as a whole and therefor also on PE.

Originally Posted by John eel
The supplements I mentioned are all taken orally. I do believe, that garlic specifically has a proven effect on the cardio vascular system as a whole and therefor also on PE.

Oh wow….well, that is unexpected xDD From my point of view, it is clear overdoing for PE. I mean, I could understand bodybuilders, who consume tons of callories and protein for all their muscles and growth. But in PE case - it is hard to believe that some kind of mix, which you ate some time ago, would affect particularly penis and/or would provide positive effect on overall exercise route.

But if you would manage to measure or notice real difference in erection quality or faster excitation, I would be really interested in some info-article about it. My GF and me only noticing changes in sperm’s taste after eating. Even pure honey doesn’t improve erection while being considered as the natural aphrodisiac

On the matter of general vascular health and garlic.
Effect of garlic on cardiovascular disorders: a review | Nutrition Journal | Full Text
(Search google scholar : garlic vascular system)

On the use of garlic for treatment of erectile dysfunction
https://onlinel ibrary.wiley.co … 27.2012.00060.x
(Please note this sentence: “Studies of ED have revealed that nitric oxide (NO), an important gasotransmitter, is a key regulator of penile erection. In this process, NO activates the cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP) signalling pathway in penile arteries and corpus cavernosum, which leads to vasodilation and blood engorgement of the penis. The process is counteracted by phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5)‐mediated breakdown of cGMP, which leads to vasoconstriction and loss of the erection. In accordance with these processes, PDE5 inhibitors have emerged as an effective therapy of ED.”

And following sentence: “However, these therapeutic agents have proven less efficacious in men with diabetes (Vickers & Satyanarayana, 2002). It has been proposed that diabetic men are resistant to the actions of PDE5 inhibitors because of diabetes‐induced NO signalling suppression and corporal veno‐occlusive dysfunction that is caused by increased deposition of collagen fibres in the corpora cavernosa and reduced numbers of corporal smooth muscle cells owing to excessive apoptosis (Cho et al., 2011; Jin et al., 2011; Li et al., 2011).”

The two above was also found via google scholar, search garlic erectile dysfunction.

I am aware that garlic and vitamin supplements do not specifically target the penis, but have an overall effect on the body, which will include the penis. Same logic as the general advise to do physical exercise to improve sexual well being.

Originally Posted by John eel
On the matter of general vascular health and garlic.
Effect of garlic on cardiovascular disorders: a review | Nutrition Journal | Full Text
(Search google scholar : garlic vascular system)

On the use of garlic for treatment of erectile dysfunction
https://onlinel ibrary.wiley.co … 27.2012.00060.x
(Please note this sentence: “Studies of ED have revealed that nitric oxide (NO), an important gasotransmitter, is a key regulator of penile erection. In this process, NO activates the cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP) signalling pathway in penile arteries and corpus cavernosum, which leads to vasodilation and blood engorgement of the penis. The process is counteracted by phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5)‐mediated breakdown of cGMP, which leads to vasoconstriction and loss of the erection. In accordance with these processes, PDE5 inhibitors have emerged as an effective therapy of ED.”

And following sentence: “However, these therapeutic agents have proven less efficacious in men with diabetes (Vickers & Satyanarayana, 2002). It has been proposed that diabetic men are resistant to the actions of PDE5 inhibitors because of diabetes‐induced NO signalling suppression and corporal veno‐occlusive dysfunction that is caused by increased deposition of collagen fibres in the corpora cavernosa and reduced numbers of corporal smooth muscle cells owing to excessive apoptosis (Cho et al., 2011; Jin et al., 2011; Li et al., 2011).”

The two above was also found via google scholar, search garlic erectile dysfunction.

I am aware that garlic and vitamin supplements do not specifically target the penis, but have an overall effect on the body, which will include the penis. Same logic as the general advise to do physical exercise to improve sexual well being.

Wow, thanks for information!!Oo Never heard about it. Wife only boasts that Garlic is healthy one vegetable, but I hate it’s taste so much. Mainly if trying to eat full fetus without anything.
Would try to increase it’s portions for a while.

You can take garlic as garlic-extract-pills, some of them do not even smell.

Well, seems that mostly in winter time I tend to be getting back to PE. So, I once again doing my stretching with some changes in technique. Hope in around a month or more would be able to report any new improvement from my current size


1st) Before knowing PE ----------------- 14.0 cm length (5.51 inch), 11 cm girth (4.33 inch)

2nd) PE-like exercises for 3 months -- 16.0 cm length (6.30 inch), 12 cm girth (4.72 inch)

3rd) ThundersPlace's expertise help - 18.4 cm length (7.24 inch), 13 cm girth (5.12 inch) 4th) Routine's re-shape ----------------- 18.6 cm length (7.32 inch), 13.1 cm girth (5.16 inch)

Finally I’m able to report some gains and techniques, that lead to them!

I would start with expressing deep gratitude to this topic, as it re-shaped my routine almost TOTALLY!
Stretching and Jelqing for uncircumcised penises

I run PE exercises for several years, but since winter 2018-2019 I faced stagnation with almost zero gains after months of daily exercises, while each lasted 20-40 minutes.
Core mistake was my uncircumcised penis, that I stretched (I primarily run stretches, as jelq not so interesting for me) along with foreskin.
My foreskin got stretched strongly, due to that mistake, while emphasis on real penis’s body was way weaker than it could have been.

First point of exercises was with so named “bundled stretches”, when you twist your penis around itself and stretch away from pelvic area as much as you can.
I started running them, as I thought that length gains almost impossible for me, as I stagnated for a year, and they meant to provide faster girth gains than regular jelqs.
All went good, they provided awesome sensations and penis became more sensitive, improving sex for me greatly. But girth weren’t adding fast at all.
I spent around 2-3 weeks on them, when I got into that topic, which I have mentioned earlier in this post.

For the first time I got the idea that PE for uncircumcised and circumcised penises goes differently and IT MATTERS MUCH!
So, I changed my previous techniques, when I was stretching pulling away whole body of my penis, along with foreskin, to more particular way of stretching, when I take penis only 1 inch below glans, with foreskin pulled away totally, and pull with hard grip in different directions.
Initially I have done only continous stretching, providing only permanent tension on penis, but strong separate rhythmic pulls worked also good for me later and almost gave sensation of prostate massage!

Today I decided to measure possible gains and I was amazed! Girth totally solidified 13 cm and in edge state showed first signs of getting into 13.1-13.2 cm zones. While previously 13 cm of girth was only in peaked edge state of EQ and with regular erection it was like 12.7-12.8 cm.
Length grew along! I can’t find at home my original linear, that I have used for measurements, but flexible linear(was used for girth measure) provided minimum length of 18.6 cm. If I try to push it against my pubic bone strongly, then it goes beyond 19 cm and even getting nearer to 20 cm. But I can’t believe in such growth currently, so I will remain with 18.6 cm for now.
Also would look for my original linear! :) As I’m surely havent threw it away and it will provide better measure in comparison with previous ones.

I wasn’t ready for getting/posting such gains today, so I will check them several times during this week.
During last sex my GF said, that she felt like I got a bit deeper into her, but still not being sure about it.


1st) Before knowing PE ----------------- 14.0 cm length (5.51 inch), 11 cm girth (4.33 inch)

2nd) PE-like exercises for 3 months -- 16.0 cm length (6.30 inch), 12 cm girth (4.72 inch)

3rd) ThundersPlace's expertise help - 18.4 cm length (7.24 inch), 13 cm girth (5.12 inch) 4th) Routine's re-shape ----------------- 18.6 cm length (7.32 inch), 13.1 cm girth (5.16 inch)

Today I have finally found my old solid linear and ensured gains, that I measured on 14.01.
If I place linear simply along penis’s shaft, it is solid 18.6 cm. But if I press it into pubic bone, making BPEL, it gets even to 19 cm without troubles!!!

I’m impressed and just hecky happy how 1 nuance of technique could turn year of stagnation into quite rapid growth again!

Would be back with report in February-March again. Currenly I run 5-6 exercises per week 15-20 minutes each on average, so hope to keep up pace! :)


1st) Before knowing PE ----------------- 14.0 cm length (5.51 inch), 11 cm girth (4.33 inch)

2nd) PE-like exercises for 3 months -- 16.0 cm length (6.30 inch), 12 cm girth (4.72 inch)

3rd) ThundersPlace's expertise help - 18.4 cm length (7.24 inch), 13 cm girth (5.12 inch) 4th) Routine's re-shape ----------------- 18.6 cm length (7.32 inch), 13.1 cm girth (5.16 inch)

Addition to report - got in today’s morning ensured signal that gains have occured.

I failed to cover my hanging penis with hand’s palm, as it was longer than my mid-finger. Previously I did this either with ease or barely touching the ending tip of penis, while now it is literally impossible. I didn’t measure how much of penis now hangs below the end of my palm, but it seems like nail or half of nail, 5-10 mm.


1st) Before knowing PE ----------------- 14.0 cm length (5.51 inch), 11 cm girth (4.33 inch)

2nd) PE-like exercises for 3 months -- 16.0 cm length (6.30 inch), 12 cm girth (4.72 inch)

3rd) ThundersPlace's expertise help - 18.4 cm length (7.24 inch), 13 cm girth (5.12 inch) 4th) Routine's re-shape ----------------- 18.6 cm length (7.32 inch), 13.1 cm girth (5.16 inch)

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