PE and Bodybuilding

Okay, I cannot stand it any longer, I must spread some new questions around.

So many people are saying that PE has very much in common with Bodybuilding, but is it really true?

- PE results are permanent, bodybuilding results are not.
- Diet, creatine, testosterone and protein affects your results in bodybuilding, is it the same for PE?
- When working out, you should only load a certain muscle group every 5th day at most, but most people are saying that PE should be practiced everyday?

Think about it, and please post your thoughts or research.

Good point. I think this is one of those weird seasonal things as the guys seem to go either to far one way or the other on this one. Bodybuilding is a good starting point for many new to PE; they are not the same thing but guys familiar with one can segue into the other. Some guys take it to far and start thinking they can simply dump their BB knowledge lock stock and barrel into PE. On the other end of the spectrum are the guys that like to scream, “the penis isn’t a muscle!” While this is true they often use this battle cry to justify a lack of real understanding of anatomy and physiology: while the penis may not be a muscle much of the BB knowledge base most certainly does apply to PE.

At least almost permanent. A PE maintenance program can be done in next to no time once ones goals have been reached. Same can’t be said of PE.

A healthy diet, plenty of H20, and exercise/lifestyle will contribute to gains. The jury is still out as to how much if at all any of the supps contribute.

I do not agree with the above on a number of levels. Are you a strength athlete or serious HITer? Most peoples bodies will go through a recovery & regrowth cycle in 48 hours. You need some serious muscle and some psycho training to push your body to a 120+ hour rebuilding cycle. It can certainly be done, many of my “recreational” activities require serious recuperation time. But for most, even most athlete’s, 48 hours is the time frame.

Crap, my bad. Must logg off in 60 seconds. I will post this thing incomplete rather than go with the fiction that I might actually edit and post at a later date if saved as a doc. Not PE every day although some have tried it. The idea is to cause micro-rears in the connective tissue and not quite give it enough time to fully heal. Most guys go 4 on 1 off, 5 on 2 off, like that. You do need healing time.

” PE results are permanent, bodybuilding results are not.”

From what i’ve read and from what i understand, neither is. At least not a 100%.

Yeah, see which still exist a hundred years from now.

Who are these people? I haven’t seen many with that ideology around these parts..

P E is like body building in that it is a slow process. A body builder knows that one work out or even a month of good workouts is not going to give him the result he wants. Body building takes time, patience, consistent effort and dedication. The same applies to P E. Given that mindset, body builders generally are more disposed to exhibit the patience and dedication it takes to succeed at their P E goals. I am sick of excuses that men give supposedly negating why P E does not work. True enough, the penis is not muscle but it is definitely soft tissue. Soft tissue can be stretched, engourged, and vascularized to the max. One has only to see the National Geographic articles where primitive tribesmen stretch their necks to very elongated proportions. That my friend involves bone, soft tissue and muscles. If you really want to read something enigmatic, visit https://www.measurection.com and see men there worrying over smaller endowments. However, mention jelquing and Thundersplace and you will be clobbered bigtime. I dont get it. Seemingly, if men are so uncomfortable with smaller endowments, they would be prone to take some type of action. If anyone can enlighten me as to why any man deeply concerned over a smaller endowment wouldn’t give jelqing a try, I would appreciate it. Thanks

I recently read a nice short article about circulation. It was about why sweat exercise is good for veins. Well shortly the point is that the sweat exercise makes veins being healthier and I suppose it means also bigger in all over the body not just in the muscles.

So benefits from exercising to PE are obvious. Better and bigger erections.

The research was originally published in Circulation- magazine but I read about it from elsewhere.

Not true. PE gains need maintenance to be “permanent”, and even then, you may lose some…

Diet probably does, but creatine (in my opinion) won’t affect gains. Like all supplements, we really dont know.

I dont agree with your “every 5th day” comment. As for PE every day, it varies.

Some people can gain PEing once or twice a week (I did), whereas others need a 5 on 2 off, some need an everyday routine, and so on. It varies from person to person.

Okay, PE might not be 100% permanent, but at least it can be.

And when I say every 5Th day, I mean that the muscle groups need that amount of time to recuperate 100%. A muscle group can recover 90% after just 24h without any drugs, but in the end, it will give negative results if you practice it more often than every 4Th day (without any drugs). Only group I’ve heard about that may recover slightly faster than the others - abs. But since PE is not about working out muscles, this rule might not apply.

I think you need to do some up to date reasearch on BBing my friend.

The length I have gained from PE has been permanent (9 plus months with no maintainence), but I did lose what little girth I gained.

Nothings permanent, and to think otherwise is being naive.

Remember, permanent means forever- FOREVER. Get it?

Sorry, but that bodybuilding information is not true….like A69 said….time for you to do some upto date research :)

Then why the hell are almost EVERYONE saying “do not train a muscle group more then ONCE every 5-7 days”. Tell me why please, instead of “do your research”, tell me yours.

Guys, that was just the Swedish version of loosing your temper, no poop. Reminds me of when I had some friends help me get an an conditioner up on the roof. As it fell back down and smashed they both looked at me hoping to finally get to see me upset about something for ince. I am told that for one brief instant my forehead wrinkled as I said, “darn.”

JES-Extender, I would have to look the stuff up and that’s not going to happen on Christmas. I expect that plenty of the guys will post links to articles and such. We have lots of guys knowledgable on this stuff, that like to share, and that hate the thought of others getting scammed or mislead. As a whole, Thunder’s is like some demented academic community. Believe and expound on any theroy you like; but, unless you have solid refferences to back it up people just find it amusing. The academics version of the old refreain, “Put up or shut up!”, Is an oft heard phraze round these parts.

If this thread doesn’t get hit with a dozen different links I will post some over the next few days. Hope you have good Holidays whatever your’s might be, and don’t get an unplanned trip to Africa.

There is plenty of good info in the bodybuilding section of the forum.

Failing that, google for HST (Hypertrophy Specific Training).Plenty of good info, based on science, not “brotelligence”.

Failing that, then in a nutshell, frequency is dependant upon volume.

If your training frequency goes up, your training volume must go down to compensate. 48 hours is enough time for your muscles to recover and grow, provided your diet is good (this is the MOST important aspect of bodybuilding,…poor diet=poor results) and your training volume reflects your training frequency.