Penis Enlargement Skeptic?

All your statments are already debunked coffeeman. You are talking about what it appears to you but its not real life reality.

So do you want to start PE?

Just as a side note the eyeballing Lex Steele from 9 inches to 12 inches is exactly the 33% over estimate I used to see in the hardware store. Nothing magical about that number but even without funny camera angles and small asian girls holding your penis most people can’t accurately measure things without some reference point.

Ok Bhcentral I will take the benefit of the doubt here.
I am not trying to come on this site and prove I am an authority on certain matters perhaps I am wrong.
But I must take my friends word of him being 24cms because he told me it was, and I saw it up close.
The other two guys, like I said, we measured it when we were like 15 or 16 years old and we grabbed a yellow pages book and the think clearly easily rested length wise down the book. So if someone has an old yellow pages book laying around can you measure it. 13” was past around as kids. But who knows..

Ok, this is what I will do.. I will reseach the videos you have posted and I will check the measurements and then I will get back to you. Can’t do it right now because I am in a coffeeshop but will do it when I get home.

You know for me, I have skepticism of the biggest names in porn being under 9” because 9” is only 3” bigger than me.,.
But I guess perhaps 3” really does make a huge difference when standing next to me. Like my example with the breast cups.
Porn googles? Different angles, close ups, small hands, I get all that,
But the shear look of a cock dropping down is all I need to measure, MR BIGZ for example, he probably is a 9” longdong silver too
But if what you are saying is true about LEX and Mindango, and Ramon only being in the 9” club..
Then I guess my Italian Friend is the staple of a 9 and a half inch cock. Of course I never saw my friend fucking, wanking it etc to really compare it with LEX, RAMON, and RON jeremy.
So maybe what you say is right. Maybe a 9” cock is a monster cock and a legitimate 12” is Extremely rare and not really been seen by others.
Because in theory a 6” vs a 9” mine vs LEX the difference is like a mini car vs a Cadillac. So in theory a 9” vs a 12 ” would be like a sedan vs a stretch limo.
Anyone know a porno where two guys have cocks of those measurements to see the difference?

Regarding am I ready to start PE.. The answer is yes.

No when it comes to measurements I haven’t seen one even to 10 inches. I don’t doubt your friend measured to 24 cm. The question is where did he start the measurement. I am sure if I go from the underside I could gain an inch or more.

This is something we have debated about here for years. When you start looking out for it you will notice certain things with filming. The guy will almost never put his whole hand around his shaft. The girl will be almost always filmed with her face under the penis. This puts her in the background making the penis look even bigger. Even prior to missionary you will see and overhead view of the penis over her and depending on the angle it will look like it will go up to her throat from her privates. I jest of course but you can see these angles in play.

I am a little bit older and I grew up with 70s and early 80s porn. Those angles just where not as common back then. You will see many angles that are not as flattering.

Now unless it is true amateur porn you will see the same angles over and over. The girl underneath with tiny hands. Very tight fist to make penis look even bigger. Eyes wide open in amazement. Penis over stomach. Penis over booty. Camera always above the penis.

Plus these guys are almost always short and skinny.

I would never for one seconds say these guys are small but when you can find an actual measurement video it completely destroys the myth. Especially when you see the cheating.

There is a thread here where one of the girthiest guys in porn and lots of people where claiming 7 inches girth or something crazy. I downloaded a measuring video and you can see the tape being held off to the side not even touching the penis. Just blatant cheating. Here on this site you see guys go to great effort to show a legit picture and when they measure in porn they never measure how people here do. There is always something fishy.

It is part of the fantasy.

Ok I have spent a good 2 hours going over that thread. Maybe 10” is a myth? All I know is, my cock doesn’t look BIG! Like those guys.
And we are only talking a couple inches different.

I think I need to remeasure myself now, based on how you guys are taking the measurements, Ohh god, I feel I am smaller than I already thought.
I measured by pulling my balls back and letting out as much cock from the pelvic as possible then measuring, ruler sitting on top of cock not pressed.
And then pressed to the bone.

Now I will measure without tugging my balls back.. Again I only measured my dick like 25 years ago when I was like 15 or something so I might have measured it wrong then,
Or been really hard.. Now I am nervous . LOL

Also when it comes to an honest measure.. I mean do you measure on your best day? Some erections are harder than other days..
This is why I posted on the OP about 1” gains really not being true gains but a good day..
Can I take my measurement on my best erection day? Or just my average erection day? And what about my flaccid measurement? Is it on my best hanging day?
I don’t want to cheat myself. I want true measurements.. And then I really want to get into PE and gain 2”!

You can measure as many times as you want. Just be consistent. I feel the two most reliable are BPFSL and BPEL.

The more you measure the better you get at it. Don’t sweat your results. You can gain. No one here will charge you money.

It is on you to read and educate yourself and then put in the work but there is tons of info here.

Remember that 2 inches more than your penis is 33% more. That is huge. Plus when you add girth it becomes a lot more. There is a penis visualizer site that allows you to mess with the measurements and see how much overall volume changes.

An increase of both dimensions makes a huge difference

Ok.. I have some thoughts..

First.. Women wanting bigger breasts. There have been studies and beliefs or old wives tales for centuries about gaining larger breasts naturally.
Example eating Estrogen , foods with Phytoestrogen ETC ETC ETC.. But women came to the conclusion, that implants were the only true results.

Other tales just for reference here
Don’t go outside with wet hair. You’ll catch a cold.
Chicken soup will cure your cold.
Chocolate helps relieve pre-menstrual cramps. Put some brandy on your baby’s gums.
Fish is brain food.
Oysters and chocolate are turn-ons, : An apple a day keeps the doctor away
Eat your crust – it’s good for you
A bar of soap in the bed prevents nighttime leg cramps
Heartburn during pregnancy means a hairy baby,
A full moon was believed to cause a woman to go into labor and give birth. If you are carrying high with a big, round belly, you are having a girl. If you are carrying low with a smaller belly that sticks straight out, it’s a boy. If a toddler boy expresses interest in a pregnant woman, she is having a girl. If he doesn’t show interest, she’s having a boy.
You believe any of this?

ETC ETC ETC ETC.. You get my drift.

Jelqing your cock will increase the length of your cock!? An Old Indian folklore method, an old Arabian myth.
African tribes men use to hang bones or stones on their dicks from birth, so when they would run to other tribes to steal women they would scare the male tribes men away with their manhood.

All these are myths and can not be backed by science.

UFO’s witnessed by service personal during world war 2, officers today also have claimed to of seen UFOS but they can’t prove it, it’s always grainy footage on some bad VHS tape, or just a beam of light which looks photo shopped. But these are respectable officers , why would they lie? ALIENS? Or just UFO.
People who claim to have seen ghosts! Countless stories from real people who said they have experienced it all first hand. You gonna call them liars?

Religious fanatics who believe a man in the sky is controlling the world with his lightning bolts and and his thoughts, he goes by many names, GOD, ALLAH, ZUES,
His sons JESUS and Mohamed are also believed to have walked the earth and were put here by this man, 2 or 3 billion people believe in this story. Myth? Some posters will say, he is true, others will say, its BS, who is telling the truth?

Got any proof? You calling someone a liar?

Global warming is real? Republicans and people who tune into fox news will tell you different. But countless scientists will tell you its real!
Who do you believe? And who should we believe. Someone doesn’t have the facts.

Life after death? A higher level of consciousness? Do we ascend to a new realm after our bodies die? Some people believe it to be true! People have experienced OBE (outta body experiences) come back from the dead and told a tale of their experiences. The stories vary from amazing to the impossible to the realistic , to the fascinating. To the believe it or not.

Who is lying? Someone is..

Should we be skeptical? Maybe, but to a muslim or a christian, you are stupid! To a person who saw an Alien, or a ghost, they will clearly tell you “I know what I saw” “I know what I experienced”

I’m not here to judge anyone.

I use to be a member of a paranormal site years ago, but the unrealistic claims from members was just so absurd I left the group. People reporting ghosts on a daily bases, when asked did you photograph it, always excuses , members saying there furniture is moving during the night, we we ask for proof, its all look, see my chair was there last night.(yeah ok)
Members saying they played with an ouija board and an evil spirit contacted them, proof? Nothing..
Other people practicing in a seance , saying spirits from the other side have contracted them and told them things, things of their past life and things of the future!

Do you believe them? They believe it! They experienced it.

Psychics who claim to be able to see into the future, but funny none of them know where dead bodies are buried, or what next weeks lotto numbers are,
They can’t provide evidence of their abilities they act like they can.

None of them will take the 1 million dollar challenge from James Randi .. But we should believe them, many don’t.. BUT MANY DO.

Body builders who get on stage and say all their gains are natural! But then a distinguished member of their professional will say, “HE IS LYING” you can’t get gains like that without roids!
Who should we believe? He said he did it naturally.

We live in a world with outrageous claims daily, we can walk down the shopping aisles and see hundreds of products with marketing terms on the boxes trying to catch our attention.
We need to be aware daily of scams, or just false advertising. Old wives tales, and myths.

PE is nothing new.. Its been around for thousands of years! As long as there has been SEX, pleasing women , men have wanted to be stronger, bigger and last longer.
So here we are now 2015, and in the internet boom we have a site like Thunders, my first time here was in 2005, my first hearing about PE was in 1993 in a sex book with the word jelqing (based on an old Indian folklore) karma sutra etc etc did I believe it? No. Then came all the pills, secret scrolls, premature ejaculation cures, the methods, the things for getting taller etc etc.. All bs.really..

Now.. We have some posters here who claim it’s working.
But is it really?
We really need to asses the claims. Let me break down some possible scenarios.

Men in middle age. Have stopped having sex, put on weight, drinking , smoking, very low EQ.. Lost natural gains. (Keep in mind everyone has 1”+ hidden internally , this is what the surgery brings out)
So you lost 2” due to getting fat, zero sex drive, hairy balls, unhealthy eating bad circulation and age..
You start PE and gain 2” you are in shock! You praise PE and become a advocate of it.
Even better you continue with it, you increase the intensity, and gain an extra .5 or 1 ” you have gained 3 inches!!
2 ” you lost due to age, and gained 1” which you naturally pulled out of you which you always had hidden behind the fat pad. ( A true gain? Who has gained 3+inches here? And can prove it?)

Young guys, 16, 17, 18 years old, want to impress girls, basically they are growing , and with positive thinking, and active lifestyle they force the extra 1” out. Or grow a couple more inches due to late blooming.

Guys in their 20’s and early 30’s well.. How much have you guys really gained? Raise your hands up! Come forward and prove it..

Men in late 50’s and 60’s.. Same as middle age men..

Permanent gains ? A true 3” increase which will last for ever?
Or a short term BLOOD fueled pumped, work out on your dick which has increased blood flow, like a viagra and filled your dick with blood for 2 hours! Continuing to pump, weigh daily just keeps the blood filled in.. Stop PE and the dick goes back to where it was.. How is this a true gain? Is like injecting saline into your cock or balls..
Filled blood, some guys have more slack than others..

Can the true gainers with real evidence please come forward.

Why should they show up (actually they show up everywhere in this forum) and tell you their experience if you are not going to believe them anyway? Also, have you really read this whole thread? No you haven’t. Because you are repeating things already said many times.

You used to believe to parnormal, then you come here to teach us what is reality? Is it that your purpose? I never believed to paranormal. Just saying.

So coffeeman you need to find someone late 20s early 30s who works out, eats right and has gained.

If you state he just pulled out 1 inch of internal penis to me that is a gain. He was 7 and now he is 8. Is it permanent well come back in 20 years and ask again.

In regards to increases blood flow I know from my personal experience that compression hanging does the exact opposite. That is why we limit it to 20 minutes to avoid necrotic damage.

I will tell you again as well as others that there is loads of info on this forum. Heck your doubt’s have been discussed and debated for years.

There are very few people that are going to spend the time proving themselves to you when they have already answered these questions to different guys over the years especially when the onus is on you to search the site.

There are years worth of progress logs with pictures. There are years worth of doubters with people addressing their skepticism.

At some point you need to put in the effort on research.

Just speaking for myself. I am willing to provide info and help as I can. If someone doesn’t want to put in the effort it is no loss to me. I will continue to do what I do without any sense of loss. I am primarily here for my gains. If someone asks a question I will help. However, I would rather this community be filled with people that contribute.

I am not saying blindly believing. I mean putting in some effort and reading the info here. Your questions have been asked before.

I doubt people will spoon feed you. People are going to expect you to put in some effort. They did and why shouldn’t you.

If you really read through this site and don’t believe that is fine. PE isn’t for you and no one here is going to force it on you. We are going to keep working on gains whether you are here or not.

Just my 2 cents

I am stepping out of this now. If someone else wants to try and convince you that is on them. I have better things to do with my time.

Plast Reconstr Surg. 2000 Jun;105(7):2500-12; discussion 2513-4.
Nonsurgical breast enlargement using an external soft-tissue expansion system.
Khouri RK1, Schlenz I, Murphy BJ, Baker TJ.

Abstract
Less than 1 percent of the women interested in having larger breasts elect to have surgical augmentation mammaplasty with insertion of breast implants. The purpose of this report is to describe and test the efficacy of a nonsurgical method for breast enlargement that is based on the ability of tissues to grow when subjected to controlled distractive mechanical forces. Seventeen healthy women (aged 18 to 40 years) who were motivated to achieve breast enlargement were enrolled in a single-group study. The participants were asked to wear a brassiere-like system that applies a 20-mmHg vacuum distraction force to each breast for 10 to 12 hours/day over a 10-week period. Breast size was measured by three separate methods at regular intervals during and after treatment. Breast tissue water density and architecture were visualized before and after treatment by magnetic resonance imaging scans obtained in the same phase of the menstrual cycle. Twelve subjects completed the study; five withdrawals occurred due to protocol noncompliance. Breast size increased in all women over the 10-week treatment course and peaked at week 10 (final treatment); the average increase per woman was 98 +/- 67 percent over starting size. Partial recoil was seen in the first week after terminating treatment, with no significant further size reduction after up to 30 weeks of follow-up. The stable long-term increase in breast size was 55 percent (range, 15 to 115 percent). Magnetic resonance images showed no edema and confirmed the proportionate enlargement of both adipose and fibroglandular tissue components. A statistically significant decrease in body weight occurred during the course of the study, and scores on the self-esteem questionnaire improved significantly. All participants were very pleased with the outcome and reported that the device was comfortable to wear. No adverse events were recorded during the use of the device or after treatment. We conclude that true breast enlargement can be achieved with the daily use of an appropriately designed external expansion system. This nonsurgical and noninvasive alternative for breast enlargement is effective and well tolerated.

Nonsurgical breast enlargement using an external soft-tissue expansion system

J Dtsch Dermatol Ges. 2004 Apr;2(4):289-93.
[Nonsurgical breast enlargement using a vacuum brassiere for tissue expansion].
[Article in German]
Kardorff B1, Kardorff M, Dorittke P.
Author information
Abstract
We present a method for nonsurgical breast enlargement using a vacuum tissue expander and describe the first so-treated patient in Germany. The patient wore a brassiere-like system that applied a mild (average 20.4 mm Hg) vacuum distraction force to each breast for 10.6 hours/ day over a 10-week period. An increase of 5 cm chest circumference at the nipple level from 85 cm to 90 cm was measured at the end of the therapy. At 3 months follow-up visit, after resorption of the therapy-induced edema, there was still a gain of 4 cm resulting in a 89 cm chest circumference as well as natural attractive breast shape. Side effects included the brief occurrence of irritant contact dermatitis and folliculitis during therapy. The supposed mechanism is analogous to other tissue expansion methods, where tissue growth is a response to continuous controlled mechanical forces. This nonsurgical and non-invasive alternative for breast enlargement appears effective and well-tolerated. Because the only relevant side effects involve the skin, dermatologists are well-suited to perform the treatment.
[Nonsurgical breast enlargement using a vacuum brassiere for tissue expansion]

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FYI, jelqing isn’t an ancient Arabic or Asian technique.

If was just an example of people believing what they want to believe, tales, folklore, and experiences what happened to them, but only them. People believe what they want to believe.

You do need to understand people are skeptic of PE because its been in the shadows for so long. Scams have ruined PE for people to believe it in.. With pills, creams, websites claiming gains etc..
Then urologists won’t endorse the practice of Jelqing either, and its not main stream common knowledge, documentaries and tv shows are not reporting on, talking to advocates, proving results,
Hearing anecdotal evidence from girlfriends, wives, guys, who are saying it works, and not endorsing it.. Until more people can trust it, and more research is put into it, I think it will just remain a myth
Which works for some,.

From what I am reading on this site.. Some posters have got no gains from PE for 1 year, 6 months, 2 years.. Some have.. Why is that.. Some people will never get gains?
Some dicks will stretch while others won’t? Realistically how big can one go?
What is the true evidence of the largest growth? Is it like a bicep?

Yes, indeed. People do believe (disbelieve) what they want to believe(disbelieve). Since you’re obviously in the latter category, why do you keep picking at it? If you think we believers are all delusional why are you still hanging around here? You’ve made your point- maybe it’s time to move on and start a new topic. You don’t want dialogue, you want attention.

I smell a troll.

I was just as skeptical as you, however instead of preaching this skepticism (although I admit I did a bit at first) I, like many here, was smart enough to realize that the only way to know if it works was to try it for myself and give it a fair chance. No anonymous person was going to provide enough believable evidence to sway me. I approached it meticulously and methodically to prove it to myself.

Why try to disprove it? If you succeed you gain nothing. So again, like others here, we are smart enough to know if we are going to put in the effort why not shoot for success and if it works you get a longer penis, if not, you confirm your skepticism.

Yes some succeed and some fail, and in a lot of cases that failure falls on the individual. Poor technique, over training, trying too many things at once, or jumping from one exercise to the next too soon is also a common mistake. Increasing intensity when you don’t need to is also a big one. Positive attitude breeds the consistency needed to succeed with an endeavour such as this. On the other side of the coin, we are still figuring out what works best and what doesn’t so success is not guaranteed to anyone.

Why are you here coffeeman? If you are here to prove it to yourself then we are happy to help. If you are here to disprove it to us, with ghost stories and myths as your only arguments, then you are way out of your league here.