Quick gainer theory

Hello all. I’m a musculoskeletal doctor and one of the things I often see in my practice is something called benign hypermobility syndrome. It’s on a spectrum with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS) - think contortionists - but without the systemic manifestations. The disorder involves having somewhat defective collagen which produces the hypermobility symptoms. The way you evaluate it is through something called a Beighton Score and Brighton criteria (no that’s not a typo - it’s Beighton with an “e” and Brighton with an “r”).

The Beighton score has a maximum of 9/9. First you pull your thumb towards your forearm. If you can touch you get one point per thumb. Next you check elbows and knees. If they go backwards at all (beyond straight when in the locked position) you get one more point per joint. If you can touch both palms to the floor while standing that’s one point. And finally if you can bend any of your metacarpal phalangeal joints past 90 degrees you get a point per left and right side. If you have at least four of those positive you get 1 major criteria towards the Brighton Score. You need two major criteria or two minor and one major criteria to have a diagnosis of benign hypermobility syndrome. Joint pain in four or more joints for longer than three months is another major criteria. Minor criteria include things like purple striae (stretch marks), marfanoid habitus (think Abe Lincoln), varicose veins, among others that you can look up.

It’s odd that some top gainers can grow as much as a couple inches within a year whereas others might grow a quarter of that in several years. My theory is a difference in collagen makeup - i.e. benign hypermobility syndrome vs EDS.

If any of the fast gainers on this forum could do a self assessment for the above criteria we could quickly get a sense for whether or not this theory holds any water.

Thanks!

So your hypothesis is that if you have hypermobility/EDS, you will gain faster?

Im rather stiff and immobile, so I hope this is not true at all :-D.

I follow all this, but I still don’t know why you think the two might be related?

I’m with you. I’m about as flexible as a tree stump. I’ve also been a very slow gainer so far, so it tracks.

Interesting hypothesis though. First step is figuring out why some gain when others do not. Once you can figure that out you can start trying to determine how to duplicate.

On the other hand, I read on pegym if your dick is extremely stretchy, the gains won’t stick as easy.

Meaning if you are a slow but steady gainer, you can cement them quite easily. But if you are very quick, it may take more time to cement them.

Which would make total sense in that regard.

We will see. At the moment, I’m very sceptical if you can translate the flexibility of joints, thumbs to your cock, but who knows.

From my limited understanding, it would make more sense to directly measure the flexibility of the penis if possible.

If you can create a flexibility score of the cock from 0-10, you may be able to adjust your training regiment accordingly.

Just a thought however.

Damn, i hope your theory is wrong i’m about as flexible as a

street lamp too…

And i didn’t gained so far (six month PE)

Well possibly.

But everyone can stretch, right?

I agree that those who can self suck probably have a collagen disorder so whilst I am envious in part, I don’t wish their problems on anyone.

My Beighton score is 0 but I’m making steady gains I think. It’s unlikely these things are linked.

I’m an MSK consultant by the way.

There definitely is something going on with those extremely quick gainers so this is an interesting theory. This is a little off subject but do you think a collagen supplement is a good for PE?

Collagen is what gives your tissues their structure. Like a scaffolding.

Maybe a defect in how collagen develops makes all tissues with collagen more stretchy and potentially permanently deformable.

Just as how you get a larger range of motion when you stretch for years, maybe you can more easily permanently deform the the penis ( deform in a beneficial way hopefully).

Now, if this theory does turn out to be true, it would unfortunately not be all rainbows and puppy dogs for the “fast gainers”, as it would lead to the question:

Would trying to permanently deform a body part be advisable if you already have compromised collagen?

Long term, could it compromise the structural integrity of your erection?

Yeah but your BPFSL increased by 0.7”. From what I read, your BPEL should follow behind a few weeks after. Seems like some people might have to see a certain gap between the BPFSL and BPEL before the gains in BPEL kick in. Also seems that a .7” increase in BPFSL will not produce .7” in BPEL, but if you get half of that in BPEL over the next 2 months you would probably be pretty happy. Then you can track when your BPFSL is .7” greater than your BPEL and see if the cycle repeats.

It would be interesting to find out.

Good Luck on your journey

Maybe, i hope so.
But i feel like i can stretch my BPFSL for ever and it will never lead to BPEL gains…
But i hope youre right, it will be perfect, i’ll try constant heat because i never warmed up until now.
Good luck too !

Thank You

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Hey Shetland_Pony ! Thats something we need, a guy that have a medical knowledge and can help us crack the code for us, the hard gainers !

I know somewhere in the TP archives, there are some discussions on the role of collagen, and perhaps lots of folks have wondered how can they use this information to increase future gains. You, as a musculoskeletal doctor, what are your thoughts ? Is there a way to mimic the effects of this syndrome ? I am not saying we should want to have that syndrome, because there can be negatives, right? I am just saying taking the positives, by mimicking the effects, without the negatives.

Perhaps with some supplement, or specific gel applied to the penis ? Or some more special massage to release the fascia ?

I fulfill the criteria for benign hypermobility, and have immediate family members formally diagnosed with the hypermobility type of EDS by a genetic counselor (prior to the recent changes in diagnosis as I understand).

My gains are pretty average (not complaining), about 1" length, 1/4" girth within a year. I’ve spent a fair amount of time trying to girth gains since to no avail. Thought I’d chime in.

I like this review paper: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobility Type: An Underdiagnosed Hereditary Connective Tissue Disorder with Mucocutaneous, Articular, and Systemic Manifestations - PMC

It’s strange how many seemingly unrelated oddities are described by this syndrome.