A hypothesis about natural penis size, elastin collagen ratio.

I think it’s possible that elastin content of the penis determines the natural size of the penis, the size without PE techniques.

Elastin is produced in the body during early development, then mostly stops with the elastin from early childhood having to last the rest of a person’s life.

Elastin has significantly different properties to other connective tissue like the various kinds of collagen. I think the amount of elastin determines how far the penis can expand naturally without causing the penis to become more collagenized by over extension, collagenization that would inhibit erection causing remodeling to a smaller size. I think elastin and collagen exist in an equilibrium within healthy tissues determined by shear stresses. When tissue is over extended because elastin was over stretched, the fibroblasts and smooth muscle cells (which service very different tissue subsets) deposit collagen in adults.

Elastin that has been over stretched can be enzymatically repaired without loss of elastin monomers. I think the elastin existing in the penis before puberty is redistributed during puberty due to the forces exerted on it by adolescent erections until it reaches an equilibrium of collagen and elastin that dictates natural penis size.

I think that this dynamic plays a role in penis size by the way the inner fascia of the penis expands. In order for it to expand enough to cause an erection by compressing out flowing veins, it must be elastic enough to do so using only the force of the increased blood flow from arousal. This blood flow is regulated by smooth muscle cells of the pudendal artery upstream and the smooth muscle cells within the penis downstream, which are also impacted by elastin content that regulates how much they can expand in the relaxed (open) state.

Normally, to make great advances the first step is collecting a foundation of knowns. Basic research is done to resolve relevant phenomenon, in order to solve a given puzzle. Most PE discussions right now are based around experimental evidence trying many different things and seeing if they actually work to increase penis size, but the experiments being done are being designed around paradigms that might not be entirely correct. PE is very popular, there are many minds working on this issue. So I’m putting out this new idea about what might dictate natural adult penis size.

I hope to see some review studies on it in a few years. Please use a public publisher like PLOS and make sure it’s in the NIH database. It’s in your career interest to do since a growing number now refuse to cite private subscription journals when they don’t have to, it’s more convenient for everyone, and private journal peer review processes are looking more sketchy to researchers by the year.

You’ve forgotten what is the biggest factor to penis size. Genetic DNA.

Penile prosthetic doctors disagree. They say the biggest factor is silicone and so do their lawyers!

Titleist, I think the world might have gone crazy.

I think the elastin existing in the penis before puberty is redistributed during puberty due to the forces exerted on it by adolescent erections until it reaches an equilibrium of collagen and elastin that dictates natural penis size.

There seems to be a correlation between Testosterone and penis size,. Could it be possible that a teen boy with higher Testosterone will have more frequent and bigger erections, thereby exerting a greater sum of forces on the collagen/elastin? (as opposed to the teen boy with lower Testosterone who may have less frequent and smaller erections)

Might that be plausible?

In my opinion yes…

That would be interesting/odd to think that our penis size is largely determined by the amount/intensity of erections we had during puberty. Anyone else want to weigh in in this?

This webpage outlines the stages of puberty. It seems the key time interval is age 11-15 (Tanner 2-5)

Stages of Puberty: A Guide for Males and Females

And what about guys who become huge like 8x6… does this mean they had a ridiculous amount of intense erections? Or lots of erections combined with growth hormone? Or what?

I started going through puberity at a little under 11 years old where as my Identical twin started at closer to 13… even pre puberity I was always very strong, atletic, even though i never played sports etc… i remember being 7-8 years old having a lean yet athletic looking physique and a drive my brother and friends my age did not have…

Another thing I noticed is i was a “shower”, compared to my brother and other guys my age… to this day my free and syrum testosterone levels are markedly high for 46… im guess my levels have been higer than normal all my life… i know in the physicians Desk reference, a counter action of anaboluce steroid thwrapy on adolecent males for various anemias, etc. Is veralization, phalic enlargement, etc… Im thinking and agreeing with you fella!!!

I feel the sooner the male body is introduced to a higher spike in androgenic hormones such as testosterone , DHT etc, the more apt he is to develop a larger natural.penis… at 15 years old i was just shey of 6” shower… thing is not did my penis stop growing but i reached my full height at 5ft 9” tall… bery interested topic!!!

Sorry for the typo error, i worked a 14 last night… id love to expound more on my thoughts later abd whats reinforces them…

From the studies I’ve seen, maximum natural penis size is already determined before a child reaches puberty and while normalizing testosterone levels, and presumably erections, during puberty does result in a larger penis for low testosterone patients, it doesn’t increase the size past a normal range.

A lot of people postulated that DHT receptors and the various downstream androgen actions play a role in setting the adult penis size. But we know that elastin production mostly stops after a certain age and I think a purely mechanical explanation could explain why increasing testosterone and DHT doesn’t increase penis size past what is within the normal range for a male.

I’m not saying that the intensity of puberty erections determine adult size, I’m saying the amount of elastin deposited in the penis before puberty determines the adult size and erections during puberty, or after in the case of males that have defects in their endocrine system, only exert forces on the tissues to redistribute the existing elastin within the larger adult penis configuration. And this is only a hypothesis, I’m hoping to get more specialized people to take a look into this idea because if it looks good someone could do an animal model study to increase the elastin content, which could be as easy as microneedling elastin monomers.

Tbjorns1153, not to throw this thread off topic, but obviously you had High Testosterone. Did you also have larger than average size balls? I’m curious if there’s a correlation. I started a separate thread about it here:

Is there a correlation between testicle size and Testosterone level?

Back on topic….

the amount of elastin deposited in the penis before puberty determines the adult size

Got it. So the 8yo boy who’s DNA willed him a lot of elastin down there has no idea of what he’s about to get in a few years.

Is there anything we can do about our elastin after puberty? Elastin seems to be derived mostly from the amino acid Glycine. Could elastin be enhanced in later years by ingesting foods rich in Glycine like Bone Broth?

Elastin monomers are encoded by a gene, ELN, that mostly is shut down in adult cells. There are drugs that turn in back on, but the ones I’ve looked into have pretty horrible metabolic side effects and other problems. I have a theory about how to do this without the negative metabolic effects, but there are a lot of assumptions in that because the mechanisms of the existing drugs are also assumptions still.

It’s also possible that the monomer ELN produces, tropoelastin, could be micro needled into the two relevant fascia of the penis. Tropoelastin, looks like it could be an easy substance to work with. It’s soluble and would graft itself to existing elastin scaffolding. It’s also might not be entirely necessary to use tropoelastin if animal elastin is compatible since enzymes in the penis could graft very small sections of elastin to existing elastin scaffolds, but it could cause a troublesome condition called elastosis and so it would need to be tested in an animal model pretty extensibly first. If we can verify that elastin determines natural adult penis size, increasing penis size could be as easy as washing animal tissue with a cell removing detergent, washing it with collagenase and propylene glycol, putting it in a blender, and then mixing it with an antiviral antimicrobial solution and injecting it very carefully in two vertical cross sections of the inner fascia and a circumferential cross section of the outer fascia. I could probably develop a method for even distribution of tropoelastin across the entire shealth as well, though that’s probably not necessary.

But before dedicating time into investigating all these things, it makes sense to do more investigation into the premise that elastin dictates natural adult penis size.

but why do indians and asians have small pp’s

Who said they do?

There’s a Wikipedia page on human penis size. It makes reference to specific genes which code for testosterone receptors being a likely causative factor. Something about there being extra amino acids on the protein producing smaller junk…