A new "Experiment": a must read.

Ever want to know what exercises works the most? Which routines REALLY works the BEST? Well, if your like me, which I am guessing most of you are, then the answer is obviously yes!

I know what you are probably thinking: Well remek there is no best routine! It is whatever works for you is the best routine!

Off course that is right on some aspects, but there has to be a routine that works the best for the "majority." There is with everything else, why would’nt it be the same with Penis Exercises? Assuming there has to be a routine that works better than others out there, than why not try to "find" it? There is only one way to figure out which routine works best, and that is through scientific research methods; simple definition: an experiment.

I have been pondering the idea of running an experiment for about a week. I have been and still am curious what routine works best. Recently I believe the answer may lie on the tip of our hands. Thanks to Wadzilla and his persistent anger towards no growth of his member, he has come up with many "theories" on why a lot of people’s gains slow down after a few months. If you have’nt read them here they are:

some PE physiology
Think About A Newbie’s Gains
A New Track

Wadzilla’s theories are basically broken down into a simple sentence, "extreme PE can be very counterproductive."

Wadzilla has read a lot on the Soviets and how they trained "world class athletes." He stated he wanted to apply this to PE with a routine that looks like this:

>> Weeks #1-4: Moderately intense PE – pulling & jelqing with reasonable, not maximal, intensity.
Weeks #5-8: Very intense PE – pulling & jelqing vigorously, even maximally.
Week #9: Complete Layoff [Phase I of Deconditioning] – no PE at all
Weeks #10-12,13: Very light PE, low intensity & low volume (maybe only a couple minutes of jelqing & the same for stretching)…with no discomfort whatsoever, just a mild pump & that’s it [Phase II of Deconditioning)

This would be a 13-week cycle, totaling 4 per year. It would include 4 weeks of moderate PE, 4 weeks of maximally-intense PE, then a 5-week deconditioning phase (the 1ST week of which is a complete layoff).

There’s a lot of reasons justifying such an approach, and I’m going to begin it very soon – following about a 2-3 week layoff (because I’ve been abusing my unit for so long). I’ll meticulously track my workouts & my measurements. <<

I only see one thing wrong with wadzilla’s theory, and that is he and maybe a few others are the only ones testing it! And when they are done testing it and have found results, there are no statistics to prove it’s the "best routine of PE."

Another great theory that was NEVER used was a "long term program" proposed by Johan over a YEAR and a HALF ago! <For those of you who don’t know Johan, he was the guy who invented the JAI’s when he could’nt see any gains> here was his post in may 2002 :

Long term program

He basically his borrows his theory from running races, and training for races. Here was a routine he suggested in the post:

>> Base building stage: 12 weeks, every 4th week rest (ie. cutting ~50% of last week exercises off). Adding about 20% workout time every week but rest week. 1st week: 5 minutes stretching and 15 minutes jelquing. 11th week (12th is rest week): 15 minutes stretching and 40 minutes jelquing.

Peaking stage: 6 weeks, every 3th week rest. Twice a day, 10min DLD blasters, 10min jelq, 5min squeezing. Slight daily modification is allright, but no too much adding workout time in order to avoid over working your dick. I think that it is essential not to go longer than 6 weeks, because your dick will adapt quickly to squeezes.

Rest season: 3 weeks, 3 times a week, 5 minutes stretching and 10 minutes jelquing just to cement the gains and recover penis. <<

Once again, after I read Johan’s post on a long term routine, that was posted nearly a year and a half ago, there was only one thing I found wrong with it: It was never tested! I am actually pretty shocked that no one has ever tried to apply any of these great techniques (in theory).

What I am proposing is easy: test these two long term theories.

It probably wont be that easy, but to be honest it should’nt be that hard either.

What I think we need:

1) 40-60 newbies, and with this site I am guessing you could get 40-60 newbies to commit to a long term program within 3 weeks time.
You may ask why JUST newbies? Well if you have never ran an experiment before this is a great question. The reason being, you can not test a theory with people who have been already doing PE vs people who have not been doing PE. For example: Lets say 40 people sign up, but 20 of them are newbies, and the other 20 have been PEing for approximately year. Let us say 14 of the newbies are placed in one group and the other 6 are in another. The results of the group that has the "14 newbies," will probably be affected by "easy gains." To eliminate ANY easy gain 3rd variable factor problems, it would be much easier to use people who have all PE’ed the same amount of time: which would be no time.
You may also ask why do we need 40-60? Holy crap thats a big number! Well on a experiment scale that is actually relatively low. Take into consideration half of the people maybe not even finish the experiment, so that right there leaves 20-30 people. Then that number is divided by the # of routines tested. I believe the more the better, however I think 40 is a must.

2) 4 different routines ( so with 60 people that would be 15 people per routine group) : Wadzilla’s theoretical routine, Johan’s routine, and 2 other basic routines such as: 2 on 1 off and increase intensity and volume every 2 weeks. And maybe a 1 week on 1 week of increasing the intensity and volume each new week. This would not only test the 2 new theories on PE, but it would COMPARE it to the old methods, which would make the most sense.
I am relatively new to the PE world, well at least compared to the vets. I have known about PE for years, but have only been using it for the last couple months. So the "vets" could probably pick the other 2 basic routines better than I did. I just named the first two that came to my mind.

3) Johan and Wadzilla helping with their theories and going more in depth with their theories so it could be easily explained to the participants ( the newbies), and a few vets who are VERY informed on the world PE and are willing to help me build the basic routines, and help answer questions of the participants in the basic routines.

4) A data sheet to test significant results ( see which group routine did the best). Great we already have one of these!

5) There may be a few things I did’nt mention, but I probably thought of but since its 4 am I might of forgotten it. I will post more as I remember but I believe this is for the most part what we would need.

Now the vets may be thinking: This only helps the newbies because the experiment is for the newbies! On the contrary, it helps us all. After we find out which of these work the best, we can then apply it to the vets and conduct another experiment with people who have been PEing for a while.
This would be the first of many experiments I would like to "conduct," but I would need some help :D .

Johan? Wadzilla? Any other Volunteers?

Questions? Comments?

Sorry if it is not the best grammar, English is not my best subject, and I did not get to reread everything because it’s 4 am and I am tired (sorry). Try to look past the mistakes in English into the purpose of the post: to test these new idea’s of PE. Remember, there is no point in having theories if they are never tested.

I would like to take part in your experiment. I am doing pe for 3 months now without results. I am going to try Wadzillas theory. Current lenght is still 3 flaccid and 5.5 erect. So some work should be done.

remek - a good idea, but with one problem that I can see. Newbies don’t want to try some risky never before tested program. They want stuff that works, that everyone else agrees with. People have tried to run experiments before, and no-one is interested. To run a year long one is going to take some serious persuasion… *cough*$$$*cough*… :)

I was thinking of another experiement - test exercises out on a much shorter timescale. For example, do 20 minutes of downward stretching a day for a month and measure gains. Then do 20 minnutes of bundled downward stretching for a month, and measure the gains… repeat with as many exercises as you want to test. You could do it yourself and it would give a good idea of how each one performs.

staypostitive, great name by the way :D . Stick around because if anon is correct, in which no newbies want to do it, then it would be great to get as many of the “slow/no gainers” as possible, and try to run a similar experiment to see what breaks those stopped gains, or in your case no gains at all.

Anon,
>>remek - a good idea, but with one problem that I can see. Newbies don’t want to try some risky never before tested program. They want stuff that works, that everyone else agrees with. People have tried to run experiments before, and no-one is interested. To run a year long one is going to take some serious persuasion… *cough*$$$*cough*… <<

Off course a newbie would’nt want to try some “risky never before tested program,” heck if wadzilla would of said “this routine is risky and NEVER tested before,” then no one would have taken him to seriously. It’s how you say it. And I really don’t see the risky part in it. All it takes is a little persuasion. When newbies come onto this forum, they want help, they are clueless. If an experiment was “promoted” enough the newbies would’nt be approached as “hey want to try this RISKY NEVER tested before program?” If that is how it works in the real world, we definitely would’nt have anyone volunteering for experiments out their! What I would say is something along the lines of “Hey there are lots of theories that this new program will increase gains more than all the others out there. We want you to test it, and in turn we will walk you through your PE journey. You wont lose anything, and regardless your 90 percent guaranteed to get gains. You may even rocket past everyone else and hit 8” x 6” before any of us other guys who have been here longer. ”

Its all about how you word it :D .

I would only need 2-3 people to help me with this, just pm me if your intrested.

remek,
I think you’re on the right track here. But, as has been mentioned, it would tough to get largescale participation. Most guys are either too fickle about their PE, or too partial to their favorite workouts (even with no results), to sign up for such an unknown.

I haven’t firmly decided yet which course I’ll exactly follow, but I will certainly post in detail. You’re free to utilize any info for your research. I’m just really frustrated at present - maybe that’s why I’ve been generating so many posts (I’d much rather be generating inches).

Keep us updated.
- wad

Fellow Dick Stretchers:

I’m in. At the end of week 4, I’ve accidentally followed Wad’s program up to this point, so put me down for a year on his plan. Shit. Commitments.

C68

Alright great craig, I pmed you, and Wad Im in the midst of pming you right now.

>>remek,
I think you’re on the right track here. But, as has been mentioned, it would tough to get largescale participation.<<
Your most likely right, but I will try to get as much as possible, and everyone in the experiment does’nt have to start at the same time. As long as they follow the same routine as other people in their group it would be great.. for example If i get 3 people a week to sign up, in about a year I should be done with 75-100 participants (assuming half of the people don’t finish). And I have already had a few people PM me, and I did’nt even post this on the newbie board yet :D . So far I have about 5-7 people, I am hopefully going to have a post in the newbie board by next week, to get more participants.

-Also Johan has already agreed to make a “in-depth” newbie plan for his routine. And as soon as Wadzilla posts his new “routine” I should be all set. So the Johan theory is in the making as well. Everthing is going just how I expected it would so far. Skeptical, but progressing :D

remek - I meant risky in the sense that the newbies won’t know if they’ll make good gains or not. But you’re absolutely right, it is all about how you sell it, and it sounds like you’ve got your head and heart in the right place. Good luck :)

Hello there,

All I could say is: Great Idea!
But, as a newbie here, I don’t (just as you suspected) do ‘strange’ things.
I’m now in stretching and Jelquing, and it fits me right.
Problem is, I don’t have mucht time on a day.

I work, I studie, I have to play guitar (band stuff you know) and I’ve also got a girlfriend, friends, family.. so that’s the problem…

Other thing is: I only intend to gain a bit.. I’m alread 7 NBPEL and 5.6 in girth..So you could ask: What are you doing here?

Simple, just want to reach 8 x 6 or 6.5… And it should be easy, cause don’t have to grow a lot..

So I won’t do the programm, but I do support the Idea!

It’s great!

Also, this site also rocks! a lot of good info!!

edit: I love the quote of Jimi….

>>All I could say is: Great Idea!
But, as a newbie here, I don’t (just as you suspected) do ‘strange’ things.
I’m now in stretching and Jelquing, and it fits me right.
Problem is, I don’t have mucht time on a day. <<

Its going to be sticking to the basic exercise workouts such as jelqing and stretching, you could always participate in the “basic routine,” if you would like to further the knowlege of PE, but are afraid or uncertain about trying a new routine. Thanks for the support though :D

Hi there remek,

Can I joint?. Could you be more specific with the routine for both section, Wadz and Johan. So, we could do it more precise. I’ll wait for your respond.

Remek,

Could you PM me again, I don’t think your last one came through for some reason.

Thanks Bro

>>Hi there remek,
Can I joint?. Could you be more specific with the routine for both section, Wadz and Johan. So, we could do it more precise. I’ll wait for your respond.<<

By next week there should be a FULL post of the actual experiment with ALL 4 of the routines in detail for a long term period, with descriptions of why the theory should work. I actually have Johan’s detailed routine already, if you would like it you can PM me, but I am going to release it publicy next week with a full post in the NEWBIE forum. Then the posts will converge over to the EXPERIMENT forum.

>>Remek,
Could you PM me again, I don’t think your last one came through for some reason.
Thanks Bro<<

No problem, I will resend within the next 5 minutes.

As a “brandie newbie” who has not yet started ANY program, I would be most willing to participate. If I’m even measuring correctly, I am currently erect at 7.5”/5.5” & 166#, 5’7” tall with a 32” waist & for the past 9mos. into body building,if that has any bearing on matters. The way I see it is why not work on building the WHOLE body now that I am disiplined in this endevor. Please mail me to let me know what I can do to get started on my PE program. Thanks Much, OLI PS: I have been using a tailors tape measure, is this suggested?