Think About A Newbie’s Gains

I was rereading an article I posted here a while ago and thinking about the principles of PE, and I tried to understand a newbie’s usually impressive gains. Two factors are at play, I believe: (1) As a newbie, any penile exercise is a radical departure from doing nothing at all – just like a newbie hitting the gym [almost any type of routine will give a newbie gains in the gym; the hard part, of course, is to continue realizing gains through the intermediate and advanced stages of training], and (2) As a PE newbie, we haven’t begun to generate much intensity; therefore, we probably didn’t overly-traumatize the penile tissues.

This is the article:
some PE physiology

But focus on this passage:

“The corpora cavernosa in the male penis is similar in construction to the pore cells in marine life called sponges. Repeatedly stretching the pore cells in a live sponge will cause it\’s absorption pores to expand and heal in this expanded state to adapt to the minute tearing of the cellular walls of the pores, thereby making the pore cells larger and more capable of absorbing more water and nutrients.

The corpora cavernosa is a live tissue which responds similarly in the manner of a sponge (Martini, 1998); therefore, continuous stretching and healing should cause the distensible blood spaces to increase their ability to absorb more blood, as a sponge does with water, and thereby increase actual size of the erectile tissue.

For a bodybuilder, the blood rushing into the muscle during resistance weight training (also known as “the pump”) stretches the layers, forcing them to rebuild in slightly larger and larger shapes. Now, to increase the size of your penis, you must somehow stretch the connective layers that surround your erectile tissue.

The external exercises men perform with natural penis enlargement programs stimulate the connective layers of the penis to achieve, after repeated sessions, permanent increase in size and strength. These exercises do not cause new cells to appear – simply, pre-existing cells are forced to increase in size a small amount each time the exercises are performed. During the rest period between the exercises day, your body will rebuild itself a little bigger and stronger and with time and persistence you will begin to see measurable results.”

We tend to forget that the penile tissues are not only expanding, but they need to heal in order for those blood-holding spaces to increase in size – similar to a marine sponge. Most beginners tend to see some quick gains, but as soon as the gains start to slow down they begin reaching for the advanced shit…and probably quickly traumatize those tissues.

“Minute tearing of the cellular walls” is also mentioned – although, I don’t believe this is quite parallel with the microtearing of striated muscle tissue. However, it’s clear that in PE there has to be some type of tearing. Imagine that spongy tissue expanded 100% (during erection, of course); in order for us to gain size, we need to force those tissues to at least 101% - and that must necessarily result in some minute tearing. Because, obviously, simply having repeated erections does not increase penile size (other than the normal inflation associated with an erection).

However, what happens if we force so much blood into those spaces, via extreme impaction, that we really pummel those tissues? Well, first off, you’ll see evidence of this gradually with penile discoloration. I have a rather dark ring of discoloration near my circ scar – much darker & more defined that it ever was. As hobby & others have discussed, this is caused by blood being forced into spaces it should not be (i.e., from mild hemorrhage within the penis), and deposits of iron (or other minerals) are left behind, resulting in a gradual buildup, which is seen in the form of that dark ring. So, that is clear evidence of “tearing.” But is that type of PE going too far?

I would suspect that it is. If we take an analogy from weight training, when we really pound a muscle to hell, it takes a lot of recuperation for that muscle just to get back to where it was prior to the session. If we don’t allow sufficient rest – or even if we do allow rest, but keep traumatizing those muscles with super high intensity – long term growth is seriously hindered.

I’m wondering if my abbreviated stealth PE has significantly compromised my gains. Also, as I “progressed,” I made my jelqs & stretches progressively more intense – did I really need to? I beginning to suspect that increased volume of PE may be a more sensible way to progress, rather than obliterating our spongy tissues.

I’m going back to 1 workout per day – even if I have to do it at 5 a.m. I’m going to wet jelq every other day, very slowly and firm – but not like a uli. I’m going to hot wrap before & after. And I’m going to start with only about 100 in the beginning, but increase only about 40 per day, every 2 weeks (100 first 2 wks, 140 2nd 2 weeks, 180 3rd 2 weeks, etc.).
For stretches, I’m going to do them daily; however, I’m going to alternate “heavy” days & “light” days. The heavy days will be when I wet jelq, the light days will be done on the “off days.” Heavy stretch sessions will include 4 or 5 different stretches done with extreme intensity, for at least 30 minutes straight, utilized with hot wraps.

The light stretch days will include only about 2 or 3 different stretches, done moderately, for about 15 minutes per session. I’ll also do “piss stretches” whenever I hit the shitter.

I’m going to begin this routine after another few weeks of rest, taking careful measurements along the way. But I’m not going to up the intensity of my wet jelqs – they will remain constant, with the exception of the 40-rep increases every 15 days.

I’m starting to be convinced that extreme PE can be very counterproductive. We’re just stomping those sponge cells to pieces, digging too deeply for those cells to repair themselves. And, when they do manage to enlarge (on occasion), I think the trauma is so extreme that most compensation is done laterally, instead of vertically, resulting in a little bit of girth but no length.

I remember how bloated my cock used to look, back in the day, for a couple days after my workouts. I no longer get that with abbreviated stealth routines. I’m going back to the beginning and attempting to jumpstart my gains. I fear I may have set back my progress by as much as 8-12 months already. :(

2 more points:

1) As you’re progressing along, doing more & more volume, and your gains still stall….then what?
Cycle.
Take a break, then come back with about 25% less workload & gradually work you way back up. Hopefully, you won’t stall again until you’ve made a few new gains.
Repeat the process.

2) What happens when you still keep doing this and you get nothing more and feel you need to get a lot more intense? First try a 1-on, 2-off approach. If that doesn’t yield results, rest a couple weeks, then try 1-on, 3-off. You can’t get crazy in intensity & have a huge volume. It has to be one or the other. And rest shouldn’t be neglected.

Very interesting Wadzilla. You’ve been doing this for a long time. I’d like to know your feelings on wearing an ADS. Is the stretch from this not extreme enough to be excluded in a regular routine?

I think another thing to remember is that alot of newbies, myself included make mystery gains simply by not measuring correctly.

I am now a firm believer that discoloration, or bruising is very counter productive to making gains. After all a bruise anywhere else on your body would be considered a sign of trauma, and you wouldn’t feel right about it until it healed. If you had a bruised muscle, you wouldn’t expect that muscle could be worked and grow again until it was healed. This idea of taking everything to the extreme, I believe, just leads to stagnation. Growth occurs when you stimulate the tissues, or as you say, cause micro tears, but over training that leads to bruising, to me, is more like macro tearing and your body must just heal that trauma, before it can even think about growing larger.

As I read this article I began to ask more questions about this subject. Why did I have bruising as a newbie, I know I wasn’t pulling as hard as I am now, but I don’t bruise now? Why did I achieve such good gains in the beginning if I was causing so much harm to my dick? It seems to me that If traumatizing my dick got gains in the beginning, wouldnt the same be true after initial gains? I don’t know the answers to those questions, but It gets me to rethink my strategy.

I thank you for posts like these Wadzilla, I never had an anatomy class so some of this stuff goes over my head.

IW8

Woodworkout,
>> “I'd like to know your feelings on wearing an ADS. Is the stretch from this not extreme enough to be excluded in a regular routine?”

I’m of the believe that Time in traction is more important than, say, extreme tension. Those devices, like Penimaster, are capable of employing no more than about 1 kg of stress to your unit - which is why it must be worn for hours per day. But, some men have claimed good results from these low-intensity stretching devices. If an ADS is comfortable, and practical - and has at least a modest tension to it - I think it could be of help in gaining length, both flaccid & erect.

i_want_8_inches,
>> “Why did I have bruising as a newbie, I know I wasn't pulling as hard as I am now, but I don't bruise now? Why did I achieve such good gains in the beginning if I was causing so much harm to my dick? It seems to me that If traumatizing my dick got gains in the beginning, wouldnt the same be true after initial gains?”

Good question - and it raises several points:
(1) You bruised as a newbie, while using less force, because your tissues were wholey unused to any deliberate stresses on them. So, even the low-level PE caused bruising (i.e., “bleeding”). Now, on the other hand, you PE harder & don’t bruise. That tells me that my concerns about PE “strengthening & toughening” the penis are true. Not that you “want” bruising of course, but bruising in this sense is an indicator of blood seeping in places it should not be. This strengthens my convinction that intense PE can contribute further plateaus.

(2) You gained as a newbie for the same reason a newbie gains in weight training (see above: “because your tissues were wholey unused to any deliberate stresses on them”). Sure, the bruising indicates that you went a little overboard then, but you still saw gains - so, obviously, you didn’t dig in too deeply that you saw “no” gains. What this tells me is that you might have made even more impressive gains as a newbie had you not PE’d to the point of bruising.

But now, your tougher thicker penile tissues aren’t so susceptible to even moderately rough PE, hence no bruising. Why no growth? For the same reasons - your penile sheath (tunica) & various connective tissues have become resistant to further deformation.

The solution? Hmmmmmmm………… I would say strategic breaks, perhaps also doing PE every other day, employing hot wraps generously, watching your diet, and starting at a lower baseline of intensity & volume, then gradually increasing volume, but not intensity. Take a break every 6-10 weeks, especially if you’ve had no gains. Resume at about 25% lower volume than your last pre-break workout, then go slowly again until you pass up that level, then break again (unless gains are good).

Do “just enough” to stimulate growth - but don’t beat any potential growth into the ground. All that such extreme PE does is greatly increase your chances of injury/thrombosis, etc., and turn your tunica & ligs into kevlar.

This reminds me of a post I read here before, I believe it was posted by “newbie” saying that 10-20 minutes of PE per day was enough and that anything more was going overboard. At the time it seemed too good to be true, but looking back, 10-20 minutes would have been plenty if the techinque was correct.

Thanks Wadzilla,

IW8

IW8,

As I’ve posted before, I agree wholeheartedly with Wad’s theory. As a “newbie” (who am I kidding, I’m still a newbie!), I gained quickly and easily on a very light workload.

I averaged only 5 to 10 minutes per day of stretches and light to moderate intensity jelqs.

The longer I have PE’d, the harder the gains have come until now where they have completely stopped. All the while, my intensity has increased (although not dramatically as I don’t want my wife to know at this stage,so I was very careful to avoid discolouration).

I think that I will now take a lay-off (although I’m not sure how long yet) and start up again.

Everything Wad has posted makes perfect sense to me and more importantly, has totally applied to me. So I figure, if this guy knows why I’m no longer gaining, then he should also know what I need to do to gain again.

Wad’s views on this are making sense to me as also not only because of the benefits of letting the body rest for a bit but also on a more emotional level as well.

When I first started six months ago, I was excited and anxious for the gains to appear but there were none. Unfortunately, I wasn’t one of the lucky ones to even get that 1/2” gain. So gradually I increased the exercises…and still no gains. Increased them again and started to feel the obsession with this whole thing arising (not unlike many others here). I’d stretch for an hour, jelq for another and continue stretching after that in an effort to feel fatigue…that thing that would tell me this is going to work.

I’d read the posts over and over. My thinking was that I must be overlooking something. Why was it everyone else was gaining? I believed that I just wasn’t working it hard enough. More effort? How?

Early last week, I wisened up. I’ve started to trust my own judgement on what posts and techniques I should be paying attention to and the ones that I’ll not only dismiss but avoid reading. It’s not a putdown on those others posting but some have a different agenda than mine.

When I came upon these recent theories on resting as opposed to continually pulling on it (I’m exaggerating here), it all started to make sense to me. I did gain an 1/8” when I measured late in the week. Of course that gain wasn’t because I applied this way of thinking (it was just the first week) but I looked at it as a positive sign.

Do the exercises, take the necessary rest period, believe in what you’re doing then let it go. It’s not a race.

Here is the thread I was referring to in my other post, at the time I read this I had a different view of PE, now Im not so sure.

I’ve been jelqing for more than 6 months. This is what I have learned.

IW8

Congrats on the gain - 1/8” is nothing to sneeze at, repeat it just 3 more times and you’re a half inch longer than you were. Glad you’re finally “seeing the light” (I have too).

woodworkout, how was your schedule?

How long did you rest period endure after having (how long) PEd?

I haven’t taken anything like an extended rest period so far as I have only been PEing for six months. I have been following a 2 day/ 1 off schedule. For my own personal reasons and lifestyle, that schedule is comfortable for me.

My basic feeling to this now is my gains will happen on a very gradual basis and no three to four hour, agonizing and frustrating PE session is going to bump up the process. It may work for some PE’ers but we all have to do what’s right for ourselves. A bigger dick is definitely something I seek but a calmer mind about this is more of what I need.

Thanks for the encouragement. Honestly, your recent posts have been a godsend to me. I began thinking that in order to get some results I would need to massacre my penis…hurt it, discolour it, mangle it and basically give it hell if I want to become a big boy…and that’s just something I’m not willing to do.

Besides, I do have other things to attend to…like shovelling the snow out of the driveway for the nth time!