Does "edging" help?

They will desensitize your partner. I have heard of others here using condoms for longevity. It has also been suggested that 2 condoms be used at the same time.

You know who ask about ejaculating to fast is kaan. He knows of a way to prevent ejaculating and climaxing at the same time. I will try and get a hold of him to explain.

The strength of kegel muscle is very important.
That’s how I can stop it after the point of no return: it’s like closing the valve (the area between anus and balls) to resist the gigantic pressure of ejaculation. (hands and feet bent like claws, the whole body contracts, teeth clenched, somewhat funny :p )
Considering kegels 5 sec. repitition each, I first succeeded to block my load at about 125-150 reps level.(when I could do that much kegels per day) . Now I can do 300/day.
I don’t do this (hold load) during sex, only masturbation.(but I don’t ejaculate during sex either)
I read all the replies, and noted some points.

First of all, kegels during sex are WRONG. You should be as relaxed as possible during sex.
Also a tired kegel muscle is more likely to ejaculate: so you should let it rest sufficiently before having sex.(after kegels)
miron says he wants to bang harder, I had that exact problem, it was like I had to be very careful everytime not to ejaculate (which was giving me stress) . But they’re all gone after I strengthened my kegel muscle and mastered edging. Now I’m very relaxed and confident in bed: which definitely improves the quality of sex.
Important note: don’t end edging sessions with ejaculation. Just let it cool down.
I was feeling very “uneasy” at first, it was like I had to ejaculate, but believe me it’s all about habits, and one day all that urge goes away.
And what I can say in general:
I’m working on Taoist teachings on sex, and the first lesson is this: don’t ejaculate.

I very much agree with this mindset.
Guys ejaculation is something like very high price for very little pleasure. It’s contrary to all PE and overcoming premature ejaculation efforts, and even for health.
So if you want a real (and permanent) success in these departments, you should stop ejaculations, or ejaculate very less than before. (like one in one or two weeks)
When I do sex, I end it without ejaculation, and believe me it’s the most refreshing thing you can experience :) Unlike the normal sex with ejaculation, I feel full of energy, more alive, name it.
I seriously recommend this to everyone, because you’ll wish you knew this before, believe me :)
Check “Mantak Chia” s books if you like, he has very good books about sex where he explains things in detail and some methods .

Good Luck.

I am in the same boat kaan! But I need some help.

How do you do to build energy out of the pelvic area??

I don’t get, you avoid the “point of no return” or you face the “point of no return”??

You do breathing exercises??

How many time praticing before you could sex without ejaculation (masturbation is far more easy)??

I usualy masturbate I lot with no cum, then when I get to my GF I am crazy as hell, but I can’t orgasm with this confidence

Phyriel, I don’t exactly understand some of your questions.

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I clamp my kegel muscle, that way the cum can’t go out.

Yes, I pass the point of no return. Face it.

I never worked on a “breathing exercise” . My breath is normal while doing sex, if that’s what you’re asking.

It may sound funny but I think somehow my hand stimulates my penis much more than a woman can. But thaT may have to do with my limited experience , I’m not sure.

When I started kegels I had no partner, I practiced kegels and edging for a few months, than I had a partner. I already mastered kegels and edging then.

I think about 150 reps of 5 sec. kegels and some mastery (30 minutes or so) of edging without ejaculations would be sufficient to be comfortable in bed.

huh?

Thanks kaan for coming to the rescue. I have read some of your posts mentioning all this, and thought, who better than kaan to explain. Once again, thanks.

I think he is saying that he can have dry orgasms when he does it by himself, but when he is having sex he can’t hold back ejaculation as well and can’t keep going.

Kaan, when you experience orgasms do you just clamp off the semen with a kegel or do you also use Mantak Chia’s enegy draw techniques? Haha I know I at least am having trouble mastering that stuff!

Yeah random giant thanks!

Kaan I don’t get, don’t you say that you learn all this shit from “mantak chia”?? I am reading this book, and the steps for a multiple orgasm is a good breathing control for you move out the “energy” on the pelvic region for the rest of the body (although I can’t do this right, I never get this thing of “move the energy of the pelvic area”), and have what they call “body orgasm”, a strong and potent PC muscle, but I never seen anything like “clamp the bc muscle” how is that so?? Another thing que says on the book it’s that you must avoid the “point of no return” so you cannot cum and conserve energy, can you help me??

I have another question, always after my “PC muscle” session I usually what some porn and masturbate me to a 100% erection, then I workout my pc muscle that way (I also train edging), the only problem it’s that after 100 strokes or less, If I squeeze one time my PC I cum without touching my dick, you get it??

On the bed I can stay for hours and hours, but I cannot feel that orgasm with no load, I always finish with load or I don’t feel satisfy.

No , I never said that I learned all this “shit” from Mantak Chia. :)
tnt asked me a question, about “preventing ejaculating and climaxing at the same time” , and I answered his question.

There’s something similar in the book though: it’s called “external lock” . You use 3 fingers to block the cum manually at the kegel area (instead of doing it by pure kegel force)
It has an energy cost either way though.
Which book of Mantak Chia are you reading now?

No I don’t. You should improve your grammer.

Random giant says you can “dry orgasm” , and you approved. What exactly do you mean by dry orgasm?
Oh , and in order to experience those high level orgasms, of course you’ll have to learn to use the microcosmic orbit (MO; see below)

I said at my above post “you shouldn’t do kegels during sex” , because at the first stages of improving kegel muscle strength, it’s rather easy for it to become fatigued. And once that happens, it’s very easy to ejaculate. Not that it’s mentioned at Thaoism.

And Random:
If you’re asking it for sex, I haven’t yet experienced an orgasm during sex , after I mastered not- ejaculating . I’m targeting the higher level orgasms without ejaculations, and that didn’t yet happen.

Okay thanks for answering my question kaan. I think no orgasm sex sounds better than ejaculatory sex too, although I definitely am going to look into dry whole body orgasms!

I used this method a few times but it didn’t help me keep my erection after the orgasm. The orgasm is dry indeed (the seamen goes back inside) but I still loose my erection in a minute or less (like after a normal orgasm).

Now, this wouldn’t be a real problem for me, but does it mean that once I master my PC and use it to stop ejaculating the result will be the same?

You mean grammar?

I am reading “the multiorgasmic man”, man I have another question for you, you can “dry orgasm” without any help only using the PC muscle??

There’s another thing that I don’t get Kaan, in order to have a multi orgasm you need to learn how to manipulate your dick almost near at the point of no return, so you can feel the spasm but don’t cum, but you are saying that if a guy have a very strong PC muscle, he can stop the load?? I don’t get it man.

You’re welcome.

Yes. Stopping ejaculation with kegel is essentially the same thing. I loose my erection too.
The good part , according to Mantak Chia is this: you don’t loose the sperm itself this way, but you loose about %50 of the “power” of the sperm. It’s better anyway, because your overall loss is much less.

But there’s an opportunity here: after that kind of “dry” orgasm, Mantak Chia advises to do the MO exercises to draw whatever is present at the kegel area to the brain by using MO techniques, in order to make some use of it anyway. He says this method alone can allow one to cultivate a lot of power.

Yes, “grammar”. Thanks for correcting.
As I said above, I can orgasm without ejaculation, by clamping the kegel muscles. Cum leaves the testicles, can’t go out, so it goes back.

Man just one another question, this is not dangerous?? I mean you literally

Block you sperm?? Do you feel any pain?? You said that you have a well trained PC muscle, have ever tried to stop the cum only using the PC?