Girth theory: Pumping vs. clamping

I have maneuvering this way for a month or so. :)

I actually like maneuvering my penis into warm moist folds owned by my wife. :)

Well I’ve been doing that too.

Not with your wife, mind you, but with a few ladies of my acquaintance. :)

Hmm…my wife has been rather coy with me lately…and we do live near the city, hmm… :)

I am almost certain that pumping would tend to produce more loose skin, since the tunica and the tissue are expanded, resulting in more skin stretch.

On the other hand, I must say that I don’t care much about discoloration or a little loose skin, as long as my dick keeps growing :) .

You point is correct but quite academic.

Extracellular fluid is permanently cleared by the lymphatic system. When extracellular fluid increases, e.g. Due to pumping, it will still be cleared as long as the clearing capacity of this system is not overwhelmed (at low pumping pressures). Once this happens (certainly above 10 inch Hg and less, with individual variations) ) edema (=excess extracellular fluid) is formed.

Interestingly, there is a term in the medical nomenclature where both come together: lymphedema, a form of swelling due to edema secondary to lymphatic obstruction.

But this leads beyond the scope of the thread I would say.

ttt - Thanks for making this point clearer.

Hey cool - you seem to be online :) .

Great posts, guys. It’s a real boon to our PE science to have a couple of MDs on board :up:

One question, pudendum: I don’t understand why you’re saying girth gains through pumping are easier to comprehend (physiologically) if one pumps with a low level of erection. As the negative pressure expands the tunica, won’t it eventually reach the same level of low compliance as when one begins pumping with a full erection — and isn’t this the point beyond which further expansion is necessary for gains to occur? Obviously I’m misunderstanding something; any clarification would be appreciated :)

Yes, because there are guys that only can believe to some kind of authority, not to reasonal arguments.

Great posts are an habit for pudendum and ttt.

You also marinera.

I had a pump years ago, used it for giggles and grins, long before I knew what PE stood for or what it could do for me. It was lousy piece of junk, but when I did get it to work, I found that I was fuller at a shorter length until I ultimately reached erection. My erections were nowhere near as hard then as they are now. This leads to 2 possible explanations in my mind:

When most guys who begin PE, they have not reached a point where full erections distend the cavernosa/tunica to its maximum That is, their tunica is still compliant even at full erection and the sinusoids of their cavernosa do not expanded as they do with girth building PE over time. I believe that pumping at this point probably increases cavernosa expansion and in so doing stretch the tunica leading to girth increases.

The tunica stretches 2 directions with erection, both it the circumferential and longitudinal directions. Pumping, if started when flaccid or at a low erection, draws blood into the penis. This may explain being fuller at a shorted erection length as the penis expands. It seems possible that cavernosa expansion at a this shorter tunica length allows for a greater stretch in the circumferential direction so that the tunica reaches its maximal stretch at a wider girth. This could explain continued success with pumping.

These are just ideas. They may be just garbage. Just thinking out loud.

Reasoned ideas and arguments lead to theories, studies and results. Some people are idea people (like you) and some are the doers that take the ideas and run with them. When I did research, I took ideas I heard from others, researched them and designed ways to study them. I am not much of an idea person.

As I read your posts, I am been impressed by your reasoned arguments. I don’t always agree with what you say, but, it is reasoned.

Keep talking, I’m listening.

Thank you, pudendum, your words are a great reward to me because I esteem you very much.

As I said elsewhere, I’m not a priori impressed by academics titles; I look at systematic thinking and work; listening what others have to say, being open-minded is the first sign of intelligence -and you demonstrated you are that way.

Ability to criticize others beliefs is my foremost talent: many haven’t the necessary background to understand that this is a talent, and/or are too insecure and get angry when I speak.

My fault, of course : I have to choose better my interlocutors.

I will look at your future posts with the maximum interest, and I think your collaboration with ttt and others smart guys (there are many here, I would say smart people is the norm, not the exception on TP) will give us more golden fruits.

I also believe in authority, you mean? I think all my posts are witnessing adversely - I just was threatened of being excluded because I was not agreeing with a moderator’s ideas and attitudes.