Juke's thoughts on making big gains

Let me preface this post by telling you a bit about my experience. I discovered MOS in 2003 and no hyperbole, my life has never been the same since. I’ve gained at least 1” length and 1.5” girth (love clamping), and of course a lot has changed with that.

I wanted to contribute what has worked for me, and I hope that will help others out there achieve their goals. I really see many guys struggling with one concept, the most important one. The idea of “how much should I do and how often?”.

In my opinion, MORE IS BETTER. That’s right, stretch/clamp/jelq/pump as much as you can. The biggest mistake I see guys making is comparing PE to weightlifting. They are entirely different ideas and mechanisms of making gains. Weightlifting/bodybuilding is contractile tissue growth. The science behind is pretty well known. PE is more like stretching your hamstrings, you do not need much rest, in fact the more aggressive you are, the better gains you will make (most likely). Some gymnasts go through some pretty extreme routines to maximize their flexibility. PE is not much different, stretching various tissues over time.

Many of the big gainers I have witnessed on here have been those that are the most ‘obsessive’: those that spend much time daily and approach with the most enthusiasm. I am one of those people - I have maintained a routine of 3x a day clamping, 20min in the morning, 20min afternoon, and 40min in the evening. Let me tell you, a routine like that will give you huge gains with the right intensity. I wish I had time to keep that up, I think I could gain 0.5” girth a year consistently with that.

Don’t get me wrong, safety is the most important thing. Gradual increases is the key. The body is capable of some amazing things. Look at professional fighters - they are able to take repeated brutal hits to the face without even a bruise or cut - where most people would be in the hospital from that kind of abuse. What’s the key? Adaptation. The body will adapt to almost anything. You have to work up to the high intensity work that is needed for big gains. The limiting factor is the soft tissue: skin, blood vessels, etc. With enough conditioning, those tissues will be tough and you will be able to really stretch the tunica to the point where you will make REAL GAINS. Newbies will hurt themselves with thrombosed veins because the softer tissues are weak and can’t handle the stress.

How can you tell you will grow? The answer is feeling the stretch. If you can’t feel the tissues stretch, you won’t gain. I’m not talking about skin stretch.. that’s easy and does nothing. When you feel the tunica stretch from a set of clamping, where you feel a tingling all over and a sensation like a hamstring stretch, then you know you will be making gains. You will notice an immediate increase after the session - the tissues have been pushed beyond their limits. You will feel a fatigue the next day (not just hanging but with girth work as well). The more fatigue you have, the easier it is to stretch beyond normal capacity. THAT is where gains come in. People have bashed that guy with the “gone from whatever to 7 inch girth” thread a lot, but IMO he had the right idea.

Again I have to say, proceed with caution and TAKE YOUR TIME. Very gradually increase intensity. A working penis is better than a big broken one. Always listen to your pain receptors and at the slightest feeling of a bad pain, back off. Aim for a good stretching feeling, not a painful feeling.

Although I’m still a newbie, so I have little experience in the matter myself, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Based both on reports from other people and the feeling when I PE, not to mention that it just makes more sense. Personally, the best step I’ve taken in PE was to cut out rest days completely.

I’m still fairly new to this as well, and have been doing only jelqing since December, and I have not really applied any serious forces out of fear of some irreparable damage. I think now I will start to very slowly increase the force (over weeks or months) so that I can feel the stretch as you’ve said. Otherwise, I don’t think anything is going to happen. However, if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn’t change a thing, the last 4 months have conditioned my member so I am noticeably thicker (if not longer yet) and EQ is at a 9 from a 6. This conditioning will probably go a long way to preventing any injury. Thanks for the post Juke!

For the most part I agree with you Juke although you could have worded the “more is better paragraph” a little better. You kind of contradict that paragraph with the last “precede with caution” warning at the end but for the most part your information is straight foreward and true.

I have to agree and disagree with you about the common pe vs bodybuilding theory. The general consensus is that pe is a completely different study however,I found that since the penis is somewhat made of smooth muscle fiber it responds to the same stimulus and rest as skeletal muscle fiber. Not exactly the same since there is no hyperteophy or creatine phosphate stores but hgh,pregstanlandins,and testosterone released naturally from the body do help with recovery.

From my nearly ten hears of experience I have a few set of rules myself but if I have trouble getting an erection, feel any pain in a flaccid state, or can’t gather the strength needed to pe I take 12 hours off before I attempt pe again or save it for the next day. Nothing is scarier than a week of ed with a bruised penis.

I agree, I believe the problem myself and others have with this approach is seeing the gains. These types of routines “at least for me” kills EQ. So you think its not working.

But rest days are needed, actually rest week or weeks. I think with the type of approach you mentioned after 2 or 3 months a two week break should be taken. At least for me that is when better EQ and possibly healing sets in so you can see the fruits of your labor.

I agree 100%. I think the main reason people fail to achieve their PE goals is that they underestimate the shear time it takes to gain. I would add that the most important thing is to progress slowly though. A little more time OR a little more weight a week. I know I’ve been almost too dedicated at first many times and usually ended up hurting myself. For me it’s a struggle to be patient and not go all out.

I kinda agree. I m currently doing the newbie routine, after 2 days on, my sidekick is fantastic. It got a good flaccid hang, and everything. Today is my off day…I am really tempted to do my newbie routine, I mean, my sidekick feel perfectly good and kinda bigger than normal.

It’s really hard to say. I am at conflict, really. In the end, it’s all about listening to your sidekick, and everyone is different.

I am actually thinking about doing 5 days on and 2 days off. I don’t know yet, though.

Thanks for making this thread. You made some great points.

I am gunna watch this thread closely.

CrazyOne

What’s your routine like besides the clamping?

I’ve gained from a one day on one day off, 2 x 10 min sets routine. I suppose more is better once you’ve actually made substantial gains.

I’m in the same situation. 80% of my gains were when I took a break of several days towards a week.

Juke, I am thinking that your theory potentially is the truth. I few months ago I was having some good gains and had to sort of abruptly stop. I was not able to document what exactly was working so well, but I do remember pushing the limits of what I could take. It was basically Jelqing during the day and jelqing and clamping at night. I would try to make thursday and friday the day I pushed it the hardest so I would be ready for the two days of rest on weekend. One key I believe was not overdoing. The other was not under doing it. Do you find this the case? I also have a theory on the rest as well. Here it is. When you rest after a good 5 days in and you measure after your rest, it seems as if you grow a bit. Is this really beneficial though. Because it seems like the next few days you wear down your growth a bit due to the rest. Would it be better to not rest you think. I like the rest. It seems to do good. It also seems to get you off track. A lot of the guys that are swearing by the rest really do not have the big girth gains that Big Girtha does for instance. He really doesn’t rest for most part I believe. What do you big girth gainers think about that. Insight? I’ve rested yesterday and I am gonna go back at it tonight. I’m thinking 6 day on one off for now.

juke… I couldn’t agree more. Your thoughts coincide directly with mine and I have also made some pretty substantial gains.

Brain Drain, I was just reading your link. I believe I’ve read it before. That month when you gained .35 inch gain, what kind of rest days did you have? Any?

I don’t believe I had any days off… and if its the month I think you are talking about I took the next month off and lost those gains. Naturally I got them back when I restarted again aggressively. My problem was discolouration at that time with such an aggressive clamping routine. From my experience with pumping, heat definitely helps with avoiding discolouration. If I were to pick up an aggresive clamping routine again I would definitely use a heat pad or rice sock. Just my two cents.

I’ll reincorporate the rice sock. I’m going to get more aggressive. I have been feeling the tunica stretch/ expansion as of late and I think as long as I am mindful of my penis, I’ll be able to make some big gains. I only took one day off this week, and I feel that was much better than two. I don’t need two. Maybe not even one then. Is the intensity the same day in and day out? Or are some days more aggressive than others?