Limiting Factors

I know, this belongs in the newb forum.

Sorry if I’m bringing up an old topic here, but I have tried to find something of this nature for some time now and I still have some homework to do.

OK, so what are the limiting factors in PE? There’s your ligs and your tunica, correct? Is the shaft itself a factor?

I was wondering what was limiting me from stretching my tunica. I try to stretch SU in the 12:00 position and feel very little stretch if any at all. I get the most from my stretches at SO or SD and at the upper left and right angles.

Can anyone help a brother out?

-Or did I just answer my own question within my question? I’m guessing I should stretch in the directions where I am feeling the most tention, makes sense.

patientone,

The limiting factors are, in my opinion, time, intensity, commitment, variation of techniques and individual genetics. If you are getting a better stretch at SO or SD, then do this. You can also stretch SU, but it’s not necessary that you should feel the same degree of stretch at every angle to make gains. Are you also doing other PE techniques, i.e. jelqing? This should definitely be a part of any PE’ers routine if for nothing more than good circulation.

Peforeal

PEforeal,

Thx for your reply. As for all of the limiting factors you have mentioned, I have been doing the newb routine for the last 2 months. I have slowly increased the intensity of my workouts. Right now I stretch for 10-15mins and do wet jelqs for about 20-30mins(each stroke lasting 1-3 secs). I do this 2-3 days on 1 day off. I’d like to think that I’ve been pretty consistent with my workouts, but haven’t seen much for gains for the last month. I know this is not a race, but a marathon and I am not getting impatient. It just seems odd that I haven’t seen much change in a month, specially during my second month.

I will keep my routine similar to this for the next few months. If I don’t see gains, what would you suggest?

patientone,

If you have some extra money and time, I would suggest adding in some vacuum pumping to your workout. Why? I made my best gains as a newbie doing mostly jelqing and pumping. I believe that pumping helps to loosen up the dick internally, thus making jelqing more effective. Your routine sounds good and you’ve been consistent. Are you gradually adding in longer jelqing sessions or are you keeping everything relatively static? You do have to gradually push your dick to new levels of time/intensity, especially if you’re using the same techniques.

Peforeal

Peforeal,

Thx for the replies, you’ve been very helpful thus far.

>If you have some extra money and time, I would suggest adding in some vacuum pumping to your workout.<

Bummer. I’m a student right now and an extra 100-200 bucks wouldn’t be easy to come by.

>Are you gradually adding in longer jelqing sessions or are you keeping everything relatively static? You do have to gradually push your dick to new levels of time/intensity, especially if you’re using the same techniques.<

Well, I’ve been gradually intensifying my workouts. Right now I am jelqing as hard as I can. As far as time goes, that variable has been very sporadic. I know I should be keeping a log of each session to keep track of time, but some sessions I get more erections than others, resulting in more time just sitting there. I was thinking I should count the number of jelqs I do instead. Just recently, I came to the conclusion that I have been jelqing at a lower erection level than what is required to have any effect. It is very difficult for me to distinguish the difference of a 50-60% erection and a 30-40% erection. I often mistake my penis being somewhat erect after a few mins of jelqing because of the fullness you get from jelqing. This morning I tried jelqing at a higher erection level and instead of using the ‘U’ grip I went back to the OK grip. What a difference it made! I was able to feel alot more pressure within my penis while jelqing. This, I’m assuming is a good thing.

Another thing that I have noticed after 2 months: When doing my manual stretches I feel a good stretch usually within the first few stretches I do. Anything after that, it is difficult to get a good stretch. I know I posted above that I get a good stretch at SD and SO, but after a few minutes, I can’t get a good stretch in there. Would this be a good time to incorporate some other stretches?

patientone,

For the best results from jelqing, I think it’s very important to be at least 50-75% erect. You’re shooting for having your dick full and pliable, but not hard. This is allows for more pressure to be generated while jelqing, which is a good thing.

What you’re feeling from stretching could be a kind of tugback reflex from the stretching stresses. It happens. As long as you’ve gotten some good initial stretches, it should be okay.

You’re still in newbie stage, so just keep at what you’re doing and, as your name indicates, a little patience goes a long way.

Ok, great stuff!! Thanks for the help peforeal! :)

What I have found out the past day or so is that jelqing with the ‘U’ grip doesn’t create enough pressure within the penis for gains(for me anywyas). I’m glad I found this out sooner rather than later!

I will continue to do what I’ve been doing for stretching.

Peace, and thanks again.

P1

Peforeal,

What does this mean exactly? Would more time stretching have any effect at all? How do you go beyond that to get a better stretch? Would you suggest hanging in a few months if length gains are slow?

Or are you saying that as long as I get a decent initial stretch everything should be good?

I am still a little unclear about this issue. Thanks for your quick responses thus far.

P1

P1,

I think there’s an optimal amount of time individually you should spend stretching. You have to find those points on your own body through your own results and reactions in PE’ing. After your dick gets stretched and stressed sufficiently, it’s possible that your body may react by attempting to correct the action you’ve just taken on your dick, i.e. it starts to want to retract into its original size. This kind of retraction is not uncommon to all of us who initialy stretch, pump, hang, etc. What you can try to do to hold on to the stretched results is to use some form of ADS, like the TheraP wrap or ACE wrist wrap or any similar stretchable wrap on the market in your local store. I suggest wrapping around your dick and ballsac to keep some extended size happening with your dick.Plus, it’s more comfortable this way.

I consider a good stretch when I’ve been able to get greater stretched flaccid size than from previous days, and my dick doesn’t retract as much after. The goal is to keep on repeating days like this with the results eventually turning into measurable and permanent erect length gains.

In an earlier post you said: “Another thing that I have noticed after 2 months: When doing my manual stretches I feel a good stretch usually within the first few stretches I do. Anything after that, it is difficult to get a good stretch. I know I posted above that I get a good stretch at SD and SO, but after a few minutes, I can’t get a good stretch in there. Would this be a good time to incorporate some other stretches?” Here are some things you may want to consider: a) Are you being sure not to kegel while stretching, which could make further stretching more difficult? b)How are you gripping your dick when stretching? Maybe you’re putting too much stress on your glans and making further stretching uncomfortable and more difficult. Just some food for thought.

P1, just remember that all of this is also a personal journey with yourself and your dick. As you learn new things (good or bad), it’s time for congratulations or revising. I don’t consider PE a static process. Changing things up, variety in time, intensity and technique have always been a part of what I’ve done.

Best.

Peforeal

Peforeal,

Wow, great post! You pretty much cleared everything up for me, much thanks :)

As to your questions:

a) Are you being sure not to kegel while stretching, which could make further stretching more difficult?
- I normally don’t kegel while stretching.

b)How are you gripping your dick when stretching? Maybe you’re putting too much stress on your glans and making further stretching uncomfortable and more difficult.
- You’re pretty much bang on right there. I grip just under the head. I can’t seem to find any other ways to grip without pulling on my skin(I have alot of extra skin know :S)

I will experiment in that area to see if I can get a grip somewhere else, but I thought maybe incorporating V-stretches and other stretches using a fulcrum would help me. Too soon for that I suppose.

I can’t thank you enough, and this forum for that matter, for all the helpful advice you have given me. You’re quickly becoming a mentor :)

Hat’s off to ya!

P1