My Loss of Gains is Nearly Complete :(

People should change their outlook on PE, no one lifts weights for a year then stop for 3 years and expect the muscles to stay. Unless there is some physical limitation where he was unable to PE I don’t see how anyone could be so busy they couldn’t spare 10mins of stretching/jelqing every few days.

How about doing some PE in the shower or before you go to sleep while you are laying in bed? I would say believe in yourself, you know PE works firsthand, so you know you will get back to normal soon.

Has anyone ever heard of loosing gains like this?

I’ve lost somewhere around .5” in BPEL length and some girth after a few years off. The length loss is real, not just from additional blubber in my fat pad (though there is some) or measurement error. My hands don’t reach as far to my sides when stretching as they used to.

Permanency and minimum maintenance requirements are a relatively unexplored branch of PE. It has always been a topic, but answers have been only anecdotal or speculative. Now that PE has been popular online for enough years, a decent sample size should exist to collect useful data.

Why do some lose size quickly, yet others maintain their gains for many years? How much PE is necessary to keep your gains? What are the variables? Is size easier or more difficult to regain?

Wad, thanks for your report.

Sorry to hear this man. Sounds like a few of us have taken a while off and have just returned to PE. Im back from a years break and surprisingly, didnt lose any of my length gains. I can also say the same for girth, because Ive yet to gain any. lol

I wonder what causes some people to lose at such a rapid rate while others are able to maintain their gains? During my time off, I didnt do anything PE related, not even stretches here and there and somehow managed to keep it all.

Cheer up wad! Re-gains happens quickly. Start with piss pulls and PE in the shower.

Did regaining happen quickly for you? How much time did you take off, how much did you lose, and how quickly/easily did the size return compared to the original effort?

This is an important lesson. People here mention that anyone should be able to spare 10 Minutes per day. I have been idle for quite a while, and I don’t do 10 minutes a day because I never considered it sufficient to make gains. However, looking at it as a way to keep gains makes it much easier to be motivated to do it.

I note the words of consolation offered, but I’m rather taken aback with all the sarcasm. What is obvious is that, yet again, so many here are applying the weight training model to PE – which has virtually nothing to do with PE.

10 minutes a day???
Are you kidding me? My workouts were taking about an hour. I’m not sure that 10 minutes a day would’ve averted my losses.

5 minutes?

Actually, when I began PE (age 37), my length was 3/8” less than it was in my younger days.

(1) With weight training, you wouldn’t expect to take off 3 years without any losses. Indeed, if you were training properly [not overtraining], getting adequate rest & nutrition, decompensation would not take anywhere near 3 years…or 2 years …or 1 year. After about 4-6 weeks, you’d begin to experience some losses. Therefore, after I had gone 3+ years with *BARELY MINIMAL* losses (which weren’t even visible to the naked eye), why the hell would I think that I would suddenly suffer massive losses in a matter of 8 months or so? Naturally, after 3 years off, cold turkey, I figured that PE gains were permanent. Why would I have thought otherwise?

(2) Back to the 10 minutes again…why is everyone so *certain* that 10 minutes per day would have averted my losses?

(3) It’s not simply a matter of being “so busy” – it’s also a PRIVACY issue. When I was married, our schedules were such that we’d be home for the kids. After our last kid had left for school (and the wife was at work), I had 2+ hours all to myself. After the divorce and the fact that the kids live with me (in an apartment now, not a house), my privacy is little to nil.

I work a lot, my sons are older – they come & go constantly. My young daughter is often home with me. I can’t just carry my Vaseline, paper towels & talcum powder into the bathroom & lock myself inside for an hour at a time, in silence. No showering, nothing…just sitting on the shitter doing PE. Yeah right.

My sons are up at 6 AM. I can’t set my alarm for 4:45 to PE before they get up – no way in hell. Often I’ve thought of trying to stay up late, but I often fall asleep before my sons. No time AND no privacy.

Hobby nailed it. What ARE the variables? Is size easier or MORE DIFFICULT to regain?

Answer: We don’t know.

As he said, all we really have is speculation. And the fact that so many of those who’ve quit then resumed, haven’t quit for that long (3+ yrs or more), I wouldn’t even regard their views as worthy of being considered “anecdotal.”

Damn Wad, that’s a depressing thought — that PE maintenance might require an hour a day for you. You’re right that the whole “minimal maintenance required” conventional wisdom about PE isn’t backed by a whole lot of data. But I sure hope it might be true in your case, if you can get back up to your old size. (And it does seem like an awful lot of guys here report faster regaining than original gaining… though again, not a ton of data.)

So then why the hell would you think gains are permanent without any work? Even your natural size was not permanent…It’s almost like you were asking for this to happen or something.

You are not sure of the adverse, am I right?

Just because your old routine took an hour + doesn’t mean your maintenance routine has to. What makes you so sure that 10 minutes wouldn’t help? I barely do that! There is some merit to the less is more theory, I have gained about an inch from it, it should be good enough for maintenance.

I used the have a theory that human men evolved small dicks so they wouldn’t be so damn cocky all the time. There are many benefits to having a small dick, not the least of which is that it forces a guy to develop something else about himself that can be attractive to prospective mates. Oddly, it turns out that many women actually prefer those other traits to a big dick.

So, this may be a stroke of luck for you, Wad. Your recently shrunken dick may be just what you need to build the traits that allow you to capture and keep this lovely new woman you want in your life. It’s all good :) !

It would only make perfect sense that re gaining now will be easier then when you first started PE. Think about it; the chambers and veins are more “stretch/expand friendly” because of the past PE.
It is kind of like when someone starts working out again after a long break and regains muscle at rapidly alarming paces. This is because muscle has memory, and so do the chambers and veins in the penis.
Everything remembers, all things grow and multiply, and this is the circle jirckle of life.

If you would of just thrown a clamp on for thirty minutes for five days a weeks you wouldn’t of lost any of that girth. Clamping doesn’t require privacy either, because you could just wear a clamp underneath your clothing while watching a porn or reading a magazine. You don’t even need any porn if you are healthy enough and have a good imagination for maintenance. You need to start clamping immediately, before you lose more.
If you start this minimal clamping routine, I promise you will gain at least a quarter inch of girth in one month’s time.

Memory Encoded Throughout Our Bodies: Molecular and Cellular Basis of Tissue Regeneration.

Pediatric Research. 63(5):502-512, May 2008.
DUDAS, MAREK; WYSOCKI, ANNETTE; GELPI, BRIAN; TUAN, TAI-LAN

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This article postulates the existence of tissue structural memory as a complex distributed homeostatic mechanism. We support such an idea by referring to an extremely fragmented literature base, trying to synthesize a broad picture of important principles of how tissues and organs may store information about their own structure for the purposes of regeneration. Selected developmental, surgical, and tissue engineering aspects are presented and discussed in the light of recent findings in the field.
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Somatic Recall
Part 1 — Soft Tissue Memory

By James L. Oschman, Ph.d. and Nora H. Oschman

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Young states that the structure of any tissue depends both on how it developed and on the forces exerted on it by other tissues and by the environment. Collagen is deposited along the lines of tension in connective tissues, such as fascia, tendons, bones, ligaments, and cartilage.

Paul Weiss studied tissue cultures and healing wounds, and documented the phenomenon Young described. Wound repair begins with the formation of a clot containing fibrin filaments. At first, the fibers are oriented randomly. As the clot dissolves, fibers that are not under tension are dissolved first, leaving behind a web of oriented fibrin fibers. Fibroblast cells migrate into this web, become oriented along the fibers, and deposit collagen, primarily along tension lines. Any collagen fibers that are not oriented along tension lines are removed by a process similar to the readjustment that took place in the clot. The result is a tissue composed of fibers oriented in the direction that is appropriate to the tensional forces produced by normal movements.
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From Young's work we can see these as examples of the way the organism makes predictions or "forecasts" that promote future survival. Genetic information programs the fibroblasts to deposit collagen in the direction of tensions, and forces from the environment generate those tensions.
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Connective tissue structure is therefore a record or memory of the forces imposed on the organism. This historical record has two components. The genetic part recapitulates the story of how our ancestors successfully adapted to the gravitational field of the earth. The acquired component is a record of the choices, habits, and traumas we have experienced during our individual lifetime. The collagen fibers orient in a way that can best support future stresses, assuming that the organism will continue the same patterns of movement or disuse.
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It is widely thought that the phenomena Young described are not confined to healing wounds (reviewed by Bassett). Readjustment of collagen deposition takes place in all portions of the living matrix all of the time. This readjustment is the primary method by which body structure adapts to the loads imposed on it and the ways the body is used ……….
Young stated that memories are stored not only in the collagen network, but in the elastin fibers and even in the various cells found throughout the connective tissue: histocytes, fibroblasts, osteoblasts, plasma cells, mast cells, fat cells, etc.

Young's concept of memory in connective tissues and cells provides a physiological basis for the way the stresses of life, injuries, diseases, muscular holding patterns, emotional attitudes, and repeated unbalanced movements can influence the form of the body.
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One has the impression that every movement of the body is recorded in the living matrix. Repeated or habitual movements result in a particular connective tissue architecture. Any change in those habits, no matter how slight, will forever alter that architecture.

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