My PE Journey: Gains, Workouts, Tips

wadzilla, can you be a bit more specific in timing ?
For how many minutes did you do the jelqs, stretching ?
When you did manual stretching, didn’t your hands get tired ? Didn’t you find it difficult to hold a firm grip, required for a vigorous stretching ? Everybody here is doing almost the same stuff, but the devil is in the details. If you have a strong arm, you could stretch with a force, I don’t know, 3x higher than someone else, who thinks he’s doing the same thing… A quantitative description rather than a qualitative one would make PE a science and not an art.
For example Hot Wraps:
- what was the temperature (estimate) that you used ? Couple of degrees plus or minus, could make all the difference in the world.
- how homogeneous was the heating ? Was it all over, focused on a particular area (say dorsal part) ?

While I find these kind of posts very inspirational, they don’t help me as much as they could. Sorry if I seem ungrateful, I’m just pissed thinking that I may be spending alot of time doing something that wouldn’t work..

First Workouts
1) Hot Wrap (5-7 min.)
2) Dry Jelqs (slow & strong)
3) Powder Up & did vigorous stretching (60- to 90-second “sets”)
4) Did 15-25 more dry jelqs, to restore “plumpness” after stretching
5) Hot Wrap (5-10 min. - doing lots of Kegels the whole time)

FoxMarrine,

wad spent a lot of time figuring out what worked for him. A lot of this stuff is has to do with personal commitment and working with what you have, and carefully monitoring your PI’s (search Physiological Indicators).

There’s no magic routine that 100% effective for everyone. We all have different tolerances. That said, there is some benefit to reading what some of the more experienced folks have done, as that can help you get ideas and structure your approach.

But it’s not like wad is going to come over to your house and stretch your dick for you (although I would like to have that on video).

A hot wrap, you know? To get the skin warm, promote blood flow to the area and help make the tissue more pliable. You wrap what you are working on: the penis (not the testicles or anything else), to evenly distribute heat. Ask yourself: what use would it be to heat only the dorsal side?

As far as specific temperatures…again: c’mon, be real. A good hot cloth that does not scald the skin. Some prefer to use a rice sock because they feel it maintains heat longer and more evenly.

Apart from that what do you want? Something like “put it in at 350 degrees for 45 minutes” ?

It’s not like we’re making brownies.

Wad, did a very good job in summarizing/writing this post, and don’t think I don’t appreciate it.
I understand the need for heating/warming up, that was just an example (maybe not the best one), to make my point about the need for details.
I’m opening this subject here because I think Wad could help us more understand why the things he did worked for him. He is not the only person on this board that did this routine. But for him worked. Jelqs, stretches, warming up, I’m sure is nothing new. But the specific details made the difference for him.

“There’s no magic routine that 100% effective for everyone.” -could be an equation with some variables that could give the same result (growth), but the specifics (variables) would be different. Let me elaborate a bit.
If one has a 6x5 unit, he would start stretching with a certain force say 50 N (N= newton, I’m using force instead of weight to avoid confusion, hanging stretching ADS, all apply force). If one starts from 7x5 to obtain the same growth he should use 60 N instead, and so on. While this could not be 100% accurate it could be statistically valid.
Well so it goes for everything. Warming up for 5 minutes may not be enough to loosen the collagen fibers, maybe we need 10 minutes. If we’d use 40 C instead of 45C for a longer time would that be more beneficial ?
I just want to remind people these are just examples to make my point and have no other values in the PE science.

I sincerely would like that PE to be as precise as making a brownie.

So this is a scientific conceit on your part? I see.

Well, fair enough. Perhaps ModestoMan and some others who are better at that sort of thing will arrive.

One specific that wad certainly has going for him is the force of will. I think that is an interesting, and interestingly unmeasureable, aspect to all of this.

If we’d knew for sure that following a certain routine, tailored specifically for us, would give us the elusive gains we seek, then I’m sure, many of us will find the time and the motivation to do it. :)

Wad,

This thread is very much appreciated and now linked in my favorites.

I have some questions about Mem’s routine and what you mean by certain terms.

I checked the link in your sig for Mem’s routine (which is also in my favs) and I did not see anything in it about “caterpillars”. Can you link or explain these?

When you say the “length” part of Mem’s routine are you referring to what he calls “Morning Session” in that thread?

And is the “girth” part what he calls “Evening Session”?

When you say you did girth every other day and length 5 days a week, would you do the “morning session” every morning and the “evening session” every other day or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

Thanks for any further info you can provide Wad. Once again VERY appreciated.

I agree about the heat issue. I would like to know how hot because I was using a heat that was too hot because I read about the tissue stretching at 113 degrees. I think over time that I discovered that the heat was too much and it was causing the shrinkage. I reduced the heat and it is way better now.

If it makes any of you feel better I never ever heated my wiener.

If you scald yourself, your body’s mechanisms will seek to proctect, and hence recoil seems logical. Is 113 degrees scalding, though? I don’t know.

I’d say warm means warm. As I understand it, the idea is the same as in physical therapy. Everytime I’ve had work done my physical therapist has heated the area with a warm micro-waveable heat pack for about 10 minutes or so. Just to get the blood flowing.

I don’t know about 113 degrees. I think I remember something similar about 112 degrees. wadboutme, did you heat the area precisely to 113 degrees, if so how?

103 is the temp that I remember being talked about as ideal.

Thanks Wad…I very much value your contributions. Very insightful and articulate.

That makes more sense. Enough over body temperature to have an impact, but not so high that it will put added stress on the tissue.

Without a doubt, one of the best posts I have read. There is no substitute for experience.

Damn, this is really helpful!

I’m going to make this part of my PE Bible.

Thanks Wad :D

It was in the posts about stretching ligaments with heat where 113 was best. I didnt actually get to that heat. I just went over that temperature thinking that once it went into the tissue it would be about right. It wasnt scalding…just too hot and the experiment failed. The thing I did take away is that the differences between a working routine and one that doesnt is small. I now think that the heat is really important but around the tempeature that you are both suggesting is the best.

Thanks all