Sleeping creating PE fatigue?

What I mean is:

Before I took a break form hanging, I was focused on tunica and was hanging OTS. Anyway, I took a break because apparently trying to get circulation ‘up hill’, created a little bit of a lingering numbness issue. So, I took a break based on that.

That and the fact the my erections weren’t great. But I wasn’t so very concerned with that because of the train in the fatigued state thing.

Anyway, full sensitivity eventually returned. But I noticed that the fatigue that I created while hanging could be irritated while I am sleeping??

I sleep on my stomach. And what I mean is, if I sleep with my right knee raised, when I get a nocturnal erection, then my erection will point to my right side. The next day I will feel fatigue along the left side of my penis, down into the inner-penis.

And if I sleep with my left knee raised, then the opposite happens. I feel fatigue along the right side.

So it seems that sleeping is creating fatigue??? This would seem to be great, but it seems that sleeping is taking me into over-training. And I get a weaker erection because of it. The sleeping is the only thing I can attribute it to, since I haven’t done any hanging or manual PE for over a month before jelqing for the first time on Sunday.

I have tried sleeping on my back, but I just can’t sleep that way. Has anyone else noticed anything similar to this?

Sleep on your side.

OK more on this.

I can’t believe that sleeping is causing fatigue. And that would be great, but this seems to be taking me into over-training. I have started jelqing again. But I haven’t jelqed since the 6th because of erections beginning to suffer a bit.

Since that time I have done no form of PE. Anyway, I spanked it this morning. It was awful. I bored myself with poor erection quality. Maybe TMI, but it’s both true and relevant.

Anyway, afterward, I noticed that I am way sore along the left side of my inner shaft? I took a nap yesterday, and I slept on my stomach with my right knee raised. Meaning, that my penis was pointed to my right.

Now my left inner shaft is noticeably sore. Co-incidence? Probably not…

If I could harness this somehow, that would be beyond super. But this is causing more fatigue than is needed, or necessary, which is over-training. Which means really poor erections and no gains?!?!?

WTF?

Do a complete layoff for a week, except kagals…those will be ok.

If after a week you are back to normal…just add a lesser amount of PE than usual.

If you are getting some PE in your sleep, just slowly work up from a minimal amount of daytime PE until you find the right amount.

It sounds like at nite you are probably getting really hard erections …which is having an effect like an erect bend.

This could actually be very beneficial if you fine tune your daytime workout to make use of this ANC (all nite constriction).

I would go back to hanging, but use much less weight…maybe less than half.

I think 10 lbs is good, maybe even less. Make sure you do at least 20 minutes total, not more than 30 minutes (for now).

If you do it in the morning, be sure to hang at least one PE or golf wt for the rest of the day.

Go to bed and take off any weight, and sleep.

If you use this properly, it can serve to really help your gains, just adjust your daytime PE routine until you are getting great wood again.

I’m convinced that great nite wood helps cement gains…in your case, maybe even INCREASE them!

You might eventually just do light ADS all day with kagels, skip any other PE work, and nite time might be your major PE work… anyway keep us informed!

Right now my only PE is jelqing - for 7 minutes. Not 10-15 or 20 min, seven.

I was decidedly taking it slow, because like most men I have a tendency to think if some is good - the most that could possibly be done is better. That and I think that my penis has more of a tendency toward over-training, than most guys.

Not toward my feet, pointed off to either side depending on which side I am laying on. And it is less like clamping, and much more like an erect bend, when I get a nocturnal erection…

I thought that, too. But sleep is usually about 8hrs, with how many erections? This just seems to be too much. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed anything similar?

Right now, I am extremely sore in my inner shaft. And I haven’t done any PE in days. Effort free PE would seem to be a good thing. I have heard of guys doing bed fowfers, but I am ending up with a penis so fatigued that I am not getting good erections?

All of which would verify the case against sleep PE, since there is now way to monitor what is going on. I have tried to sleep on my back, but I just can’t do it???

Right now the only PE I can stand is the 7min of jelqing. And I can’t even do that, now. I was going to maybe condition my penis with 2-3 mos of jelqing like a newbie. Then begin to add hanging, as hanging seems to take a greater toll on me than it does others.

I never do more than 20min, since I have a tendency toward lingering numbness. And, at 10lbs right now - I wouldn’t be able to get my dick up for a month.

Of course I would wait until I am less fatigued, but still I would not do more than 5lbs to start. Really, I would probably start back with 3.75lbs, because of my history.

Isn’t the ADS supposed to be in the direction that primary fatigue is taking place in? I am trying to work tunica, so golf weights wouldn’t work as an ADS for tunica.

Also, in my case with a tendency to over-train easily, maybe an ADS isn’t the greatest idea. Though I have been following this thread to see what conclusions maybe drawn.

In theory, you’re right. Should I be able to manage this, I maybe a person who could get by on extremely brief PE routines. And not knowing this until now, has had me just doing far more than is necessary for the specifics of my situation.

But like I said, with no way to monitor what goes on during sleep? This just seems to be putting me in a cycle of extreme fatigue that leads to no progress.

:p

Can’t.

About the best I can pull off is a modified side. Where my face is either facing left or right, with either my left or right knee raised?

You commented on my reply before I realized some mistakes and corrected it…you’re fast!

So, now, based on what you said, I would say drop every thing except kagals. Measure daily (bpfl) and wait until soreness is completely gone.

It may be that this ALONE may be enough!

I too overtrain very easily, so I sympathise.

It may very well be that PE has either increased nite hardness or duration or both, which is leading to an effect very much like erect bends.

Hell, you may be the first guy on Thunders that can grow by doing nothing!:)

Well that would be a dream. :D

But in seriousness, I am scaling back any form of PE, until some type of decent erection returns. Which may be difficult. Because if what I suspect is true, each night of sleep only adds to the situation.

I’m dead serious.

Don’t scale back…STOP everything except kagals…and wait and see.

You should really measure bpfl daily to get some read on whats happening.

I would only lay off kagals if the soreness persists AND you aren’t growing or worse yet…shrinking.

When I said scale back, in this case, I meant do nothing. I haven’t jelqed (the only form of PE that I presently do), since the 6th.

I have to admit that I don’t keep track of BPFL, only EL.

In the beginning, I thought that taking a BPFL hurt the fat pad skin, a lot. And now that I think about it, a BPFL can vary based on how hard a guy is pulling. And in addition, pulling hard enough to get the same measurement, or more, can almost be a pretty hard stretch…

But in any case, you feel that BPFL is more of an indication of the overall state of PE progress, than EL?

I must admit, I am not a fervent kegeler. These days, I only kegel when jelqing if I need a higher erection level.

In the beginning, I thought kegeling led to me not being able to last as long during sex*. And believe me, I noticed. I have never had a problem with ‘finishing’ too fast. So, I certainly noticed all of a sudden ‘finishing’ before a was used to, when I began a newbie routine years ago.

*I think I read somewhere that some guys feel that this is true for them. I think I am one of them. So, as I said, I am not, presently, an over-the-top kegeler.

Yeah, it can hurt! I use a thin piece of neoprene as a pad, same one every time. NO PAIN! If I’m interested in absolute length, I’ll just add a fraction to my measurement…but mostly I’ll looking for the CHANGE.

I also get wildly variable measurements with bpfl, but I’ll take about 10 measurements, then the longest one I can repeat 2-3 times.

I use a thumb and forefinger grip on the glans, same way every time. It limits the force you can use…but really I try for the longest possible length each time.

Yes, I prefer BPFL for a daily measurement, because it is less variable due to the PE you are doing. As you see the quality of erections change rapidly based on your PE and recovery.

If you get a great hard on and want to measure it…fine! But to count on that daily to be accurate…forget it!

I’m one of those guys who feel that kegeling CAN make you cum faster. Not everyone has that reaction though.

For me, the harder I am, the most sensitive I tend to be…not always true, but tends to be true.

When I kegel EFFECTIVELY, I tend to be much harder, therefore more sensitive.

Fine, skip the kegels too!

I recommend you measure to determine if this nite effect is actually helping you to grow. If it is, then you want it to continue, if it isn’t….then by stopping everything, it should begin to subside.

Listen, I’m really curious here, if you post your results and I don’t reply, please PM me, I really want to see where this is going.

Realistically, I think when I was hanging OTS, I might have created enough pre-fatigue that these, essentially, night time erect bends, allowed me to trip over into over-training??

Because the first few days of OTS went well. But then I started noticing a little lingering numbness. Possibly from trying to pump circulation up hill?

I think I started at 5lbs OTS. But of course any weight OTS is more than that weight because of friction with the back of the chair. I eventually dropped the weight to 3.75lbs. But during this time, I wasn’t having any real erection problems.

But one day, like someone hit a light switch, my erections were out the window. When, the previous day, they were at least passable. I haven’t hung since. Partly because of the lingering numbness, and of course because of the lack of almost any type of descent erection. I was getting about 45-50%, at best.

Because of the ‘train in the fatigued state’ theory, I likely would have continued to train if I was only having a problem with either a little numbness or the lack of good erections. But the two together…

This sleeping thing probably was brought on by the pre-fatigue of the OTS hanging, as I said. And since then, I just don’t seem to be able to get out of the cycle of adding more stress, with essentially erect bends, while sleeping?

Sure.