Super relaxation mode

I know sparkyx mentioned this several times. It’s the opposite of smooth muscle contraction which can occur for some reasons like over training, cold weather , etc. I also remember that sparkyx mentioned in Long Vehicle thread’s about overtraining which could be masked by using cialis.

My question for this is: Can cialis or other vasodilatating agent counteract the possible effects of overtraining like smooth muscle contraction and induce max relaxation of CC’s ? Or you also need time for healing?

Thank you.

Anyone?

Is this such a dumb question or this subject was touched before?

I don’t know that “smooth muscle contraction” is anything more than speculation.

My guess is that smooth muscle tissue has a typical state of “tension” (for lack of a better word) that keeps us from walking around with perpetual hard-ons, and when it relaxes it then allows erections. I haven’t heard of any state that would make smooth muscle tissue over-contract, that sounds theoretical to me.

So given that it’s sort of hard to answer your question, as I find the premise faulty.

However, you can certainly use ED drugs in way that would mask the body’s need to rest and recuperate. The normal cycles of excitement, erection, ejaculation and refractory can certainly be modified with these drugs to a point.

I’m sure that with regard to PE it could become problematic if you were to constantly go beyond your limits.

Sir:

An increased tone of the sympathetic system (counterpart of parasympathetic / vagus in the autonomous system) makes smooth muscle tissue over-contract.

So if one stresses his penis by some means and make the smooth muscle over contract could “popping a pill” like a vasodilatator agent(eg. cialis) overcome the state of smooth muscle contraction and relax it to it’s max(as it was before) ?
Or is time a mandatory necessity ?

I know there are maybe no reference to these, but have anyone of you tried doing something like this and notice that the CC’s were at max relax ,even if you stressed the penis before ?

FANTASTIC!

Now…what the hell does that mean?

How would one increase the tone of their sympathetic system?

Seriously. I have no idea what that means or what it would involve. Could you be so kind as to elaborate in bland, vanilla layman’s terminology?

And one other thing: as my drill sergeant used to say, “Don’t call me ‘Sir’; I work for a living.” :leftie:

I believe that the more you relax the better the results.

Lmbjless

Hey Hap!

In layman’s terms, smooth muscle is what causes the penis to shrink when exposed to cold water, or other stresses that stimulate the sympathetic nervous system, which you could say is an “over contraction”. It obviously is smaller than its normal state.

There are two parts of the Autonomic (read automatic) Nervous System.

First, is the Parasympathetic, which is basically the “relaxation” part of the Nervous System. When this kicks in, smooth muscle “relaxes”. When smooth muscle relaxes in the penis, the flaccid gets bigger and softer. When smooth muscle relaxes in the major arteries, blood pressure goes down.

The second part is the Sympathetic Nervous System or the “fight or flight” part. It was designed by Nature to prepare the body in emergencies, like some big animal trying to eat you, so you will have a greater ability to either fight or run for your life. In our discussion, it will cause smooth muscle to contract. When it contracts in the penis, it shrinks up. When it contracts in arteries, they get narrower and blood pressure rises. Further this is what causes performance anxiety impotence. The Sympathetic nervous system will kill an erection.

So many things will increase the “tone” of the Sympathetic system. Fear, anger, stress (mental and physical), and for the penis we are are familiar with the effect of cold water on a flaccid, this is a form of physical stress. Performance Anxiety is a form of mental stress.

PE when done properly will cause the smooth muscle to relax even more than normal, which results in a larger than normal flaccid, for which I coined a term “Super Relaxation Response” or SRR. PE when overdone, results in increased Sympathetic System “tone” locally, and the smooth muscle contracts resulting in the well known reaction we call “turtling”.

Cialis and Viagra will counteract the stimulus of too much PE, however it won’t counteract any tissue stress caused by it. Therefore, its easy to mask accumulation of tissue stress with those chemicals, but eventually it catches up with you because it doesn’t counteract the actual tissue damage. So what will happen is you can keep over doing it until your EQ just crashes and burns.

I suggest first finding the best stimulus to rest ratio, THEN you can add some Cialis or Viagra on top of that and you will have the best of both worlds. Ideally, if you get your stimulus/rest ratio down to a science, you won’t NEED Cialis or Viagra because your EQ will be very high.

Thanks for the clarification sparkyx, that was very clear.

The thing is, the things that you describe seem to me to be temporary in nature.

So I’m not sure that they would have a huge a effect on overall gains in PE strategy.

Even over-training (which I assume would be under the ‘stress’ category - what we sometimes refer to as ‘recoil’), would have a cycle and then return to normal, at which point PE could be resumed and modified so as to be successful.

When I initially posted my response, I was assuming that alin was talking about a more permanent condition. I see now that I completely misunderstood this.

I think it’s safe to say that alin’s question could be answered with a “yes,” unless the over-training in question resulted in an actual injury, in which case taking a break to recover would be in order.

What do others think?

Smooth muscle changes ARE temporary, its the body’s way of maintaining balance. It reflects the balancing act going on between the Sympathetic and Parasympathetic as it trys to keep everything in balance.

We, however have a different perspective because we see the it as a “side effect” of PE. I don’t think in and of itself it would matter much. I think it may be more important as an “indicator” for us. If we get turtling, its usually an indicator of over doing it. This may not always be an accurate indicator, because sympathetic stimulation can occur INDEPENDENT to tissue stress (ie cold water).

I think its far more critical in girth related PE, because it will hold the penis in a contracted state while recovery goes on, and perhaps it allows “healing” in a contracted state, which can’t be good.

In length PE, you can hold the penis in an extended state with some sort of ADS, thereby overcoming the contraction produced by tissue stress.

Overall, I rarely hear of anyone making gains while also getting prolonged and significant turtling, so obviously for most guys there is a relationship to PE. Exactly what that relationship is has to be determined on an individual basis, you have to see how it effects your gains.

When we’re saying EQ we’re reffering to the hardness of an erection? Or it implies also maximum girth and length provided by super relaxation mode ? Because, my penis can get hard always when erect, but if stressed before(physical or mental), it doesn’t reach maximum girth and length.

That’s why I was asking about cialis or viagra to overcome this and relax the smooth muscle to the max(SRR as sparky call it).

(I don’t plan on doing this regularly, just in cases like, by mistake I overdid it and I also need to get max erect(in the same day, for sex) ). I hope it’s clear what I mean.

The thread explaining EQ is linked at the bottom of all my posts.

Sure those drugs can help to overcome those things.

I also think they can mask our bodies natural responses and that could become problematic, too. From a bio-feedback standpoint you would maybe have misleading PI’s and could conceivably go past what you should - and over-train.

Thats pretty much why I keep Cialis on hand, because sometimes I misjudge my workout and overdo it. If I have a hot date planned with my wife for later on that day, I will take 7 mg of Cialis just to make sure everything will work right.

When I overdo it, it drops my EQ, and specifically decreased hardness, ability to achieve erection and ability to stay hard all are compromised, and depending on how much I have over trained, can really be compromised.

If you have really beat your dick to hell, it won’t be able to help much. If you just have overdone it a bit to a moderate amount, then the Cialis really makes a big difference.