Surgery Forum?

Don’t flatter yourself 24, I have no idea whether you’ve made the mistake that I thought you made elsewhere on this Forum. Now I’d like some clarification: Was my clarification clear enough for you? And, do you believe my explanation?

Flatter myself? You’re joking right? :D
You previously had fully explained your point regarding “Everyone” & “has probably”. Never a problem there.

Until right now you refused to clarify this one sentence, specifically the word “still”, despite my requests (which made me assume it was a little pop shot, that you didn’t think I’d call you on):

“I can’t believe you’re still subject to that mistake”

Thanks for your explanation, I think …

:D

I tried to answer your questions, you haven’t tried to answer mine. It’s been miserable talking to you 24. Bye.

Hey, I know I was busting your balls a little, xeno. I just detected a little pop shot, and when I detected evasiveness on your part, I wouldn’t let it rest. Anyways, no hard feelings. :D

Seems to be a lot of that going around lately.

Lot of what?

Your detection equipment is malfunctioning.

Likewise.

I’m looking to move some shit to the off topic crapper if it doesn’t end. Please.

Back on topic if you will gentlemen.

Clarification needed Will Robinson, Clarification needed Will Robinson.

:D

Sorry Westla.

Some thoughts

1)I don’t feel this would become a breeding ground for spam, surgery referals, or anything along those lines. It is very easy to come, advertise a stretcher/pill/ect for 100 bucks and get credit card payments, this isn’t the proper arena for surgeons to advertise their stuff, all of the ones I spoke with seemed to do their advertising by giving out phone numbers of former patients. I think it is clear to anyone who has read my surgery thread that I am in no way posting here to promote Rheinschild.

2)The forum could be monitored a little more closely for spam type posts/threads. Maybe we could only enable new posts for members with 100 or so posts or more. I have a hard time thinking that people would go through all that bullshit, making 100 posts just to come and spam, when they would inevitably get banned quickly for it.

3)There could be guidelines for posting surgery experiences. I think that my thread is informative and offers both the pros and the cons. Since there are only a handful of members who have had the surgery here avidly posting, this would be easy to moderate. If someone came on here and was doing this, they could have their posting priviledges in the surgery forum revoked. For example, take a look at Crashhex’s thread. He clearly didn’t get a perfect result as his unit looked swollen and deformed, as if it had been pumped. People began questioning him, he got defensive, dodged their questions, ect. He was a drama queen and his thread quickly went to shit and taught us nothing. Maybe if we had a special place for surgery posts and well defined guidelines this would be less likely to happen? He is no longer a member here, I am assuming this is why.

4)I have spoken to a few men who had terribly botched surgeries, perhaps I could research the tragedies of PE surgery and give this equal weight as the positives to keep things unbiased. Perhaps I could even get some of these guys to register and tell their stories.

These are just a few thought that come to mind. Does anyone have any thoughts about how a surgery forum could be moderated, WERE we to enact one?

As far as the spam and related commercial junk goes, we are not going to know until we try it. If a dedicated surgery forum gets out of hand for these reasons, or for any reason, then we kill it. Simple. Besides, if surgeons or others really want to promote their wares here, they certainly don’t need a separate forum on surgery to do so. They could post on 8-Ball’s thread, or on other threads. The fact that we are not seeing this happen already suggests very strongly to me that it will not be a problem for a dedicated surgery forum. Put otherwise, you guys are just blowing smoke!

I also don’t think we should limit the ability to post to those with, say, 100 posts. I really don’t think this is going to be a problem.

I’m in a real experimental mood today. I say we give this thing a shot. We won’t know until we try. I suspect that those who oppose the idea of a surgery forum will no longer feel aggrieved after a week or two. They’ll realize that it’s no big deal. Because, it isn’t a big deal! I simply don’t understand this opposition to a surgery forum.

As Nietzsche said, “Live life as an experiment!”

Excellent post, I agree with every word and hope we can try this. Do any of the other Mods have a say?

I do. I’ll type something up now.

Ah, since I last posted here some great anti-surgery and pro-surgery forum arguments have been made. Thanks to everyone who spent some time expressing their opinions!

In the end I see this decision as very similar to a bodybuilding forum’s decision about whether to include a steroid subforum. (I don’t browse any BB forums, so pardon my ignorance here if I say stupid things!)

From what I do know about non-surgical PE and about PE surgery — which isn’t a whole lot, in the latter case — the surgery, especially the girth surgery, is far riskier than any non-surgical method in wide use. In all my time here, I’ve seen only a handful of guys sustain injuries from non-surgical PE that have left them with a penis worse than they had pre-PE, just as I’ve seen only a handful of guys who have seriously fucked up their bodies through natural bodybuilding — and in all such cases, in both domains, the injuries resulted from insane regimens that everyone advises against. On the other hand, my impression is that a sizeable number of surgery patients — even the patients of the very best surgeons, using the very best techniques — end up with penile degradation, rather than penile enhancement. Heck, even the surgeons themselves implicitly admit this, when they refer to the endless stream of “botched” patients (from “other,” presumably less expert surgeons) whose penises they are paid to correct. Likewise, even when used in a sensible manner, steroids can, for some individuals, cause some permanent health problems. In both cases — PE surgery and steroid use — only a minority of individuals will suffer serious problems, but in both cases, the prevalance of such problems is far higher than it is for individuals who forego surgical or hormonal methods in their question for penile and muscular develoment, respectively. (Motivated is correct that there is no non-arbitrary categorical distinction between surgical and non-surgical PE, but there surely are continuous dimensions on which the methods differ.)

So the ethical question ultimately, to my mind, is whether we think penis enlargement an important enough goal to justify taking considerable risks vis-a-vis one’s permanent penile health as a legitimate topic of discussion — or whether we think that men contemplating such risks would best be served by some counseling for body dysmorphic disorder. Most medical doctors, of course — and perhaps the general population as a whole — think that we non-surgical PEers are already taking too large of a risk, and devoting too much of our time, to a goal that is irrationally motivated. Obviously most of us disagree. But there’s nothing to prevent us from drawing a line at some point in what level of risk we’re willing to countenance in the discussion of PE methods.

What is my opinion? I’m not sure. But I hope that the way I have framed some issues here can be of service to those who are still forming their opinions. As an experimentalist at heart, I probably, overall, would favor trying a surgical forum, but there are some very thorny ethical and empirical issues involved. One such empirical issue that I haven’t discussed here, for example, is whether a surgical forum would simply provide a venue for accurate information dispensation (as an alternative to the surgeons’ sites), or whether it may have an additional effect of “recruiting” more men to look into surgery who otherwise wouldn’t. Complicated stuff, and there are no obvious answers.