Thoughts on PE from johndough

No I certainly don’t. What did I do wrong?

P.S. Forgot one thing. An idea of mine. I think it’s our best shot. Here goes:

We get a significat number of volunteers on here. Let’s say 300. They report to Thunder. Thunder contacts these very fine urologists (Lue, Levine, Goldstein) and asks them to conduct a study.

For the uros it would be a career challenge.
The volunteers would admittedly be guinie-pigs but would in turn have the benefit of medical guidance (and the safety and efficiacy that it perhaps implies).
Thunder would further his status as the most important person in PE today. :)

Okay, good. This is an example of what I’M talking about. The positive side is that you have made great gains in restablishing a high EQ and I’m happy for you :) . But, is it fair for you to say that you GAINED all that size when your initial measurements can be accurately attributed to a penis that could not achieve more than a 50% erection?

I can think that the moon is made of cheese, it doesnt mean it is. This is more what I meant, my bad for not explaining.

Some human actions can be without thought (some would call this instinct/higher self), and the results can often be very profound.

Does the sun think before it shines?

Another bad on my part communication wise. I’m very calm, I’m actually pretty apathetic at the moment and I was when I wrote my comment. If it came across any other way, then that’s my fault.

You’re point is entirely correct, semantically speaking. But I did manage to slip in the word “restoration” in my epiphony! The “gains” word isn’t meant for bragging rights or anything, I’m just interchanging words.

I will say this though. Some of this is definitely a gain, particularly the underside portion of the penis. I’ve always had a very flattened shape until PE, and I don’t need any recorded measurements from my previous years to recognize this. So maybe this can return us back to my intended point.

Something new is happening to my dick, and it was admittedly happening well before pumping. If it’s swelling from pumping, what is preventing it from encirling the entire penis? Pressure in a static state is uniformly distrubuted on all exposed surfaces.

I exclusively use an overhand jelq which applies more pressure to the sides of my unit. I do bias the stroke with a slight upward twist in my hand position, as if I’m trying to curve the penis upward. The web of my hands are directly over the dorsal area, thereby padding the dorsal area. I estimate I’m between 60-80% erection most of the time.

Just mulling it over, I think I have to attribute most of the GAIN to the jelqing since its the only thing I’ve done until two months ago. I’m doing pumping mainly to contribute to the cardiovascular enlargement to enhance the jelqing effect.

Long story short: if I’m experiencing superfical edema from pumping, wouldn’t I be seeing some of it on the sides and top of the penis? I do recognize the temporary enlargement effect of pumping each time, but once again I’m seeing it mostly underneath the penis.

I’m calm. It’s just extremely annoying when someone tries to prove something to your for which you already know that it works. It’s like he says I can’t jump 3 meters in distance from standing position when I already know I can because I already have.

Also, you’re always protective of people who don’t believe in PE or who made little or no gains and start doubting things. Subjectivity? ;)

To anyone wondering if PE will go mainstream and then everyone will be huge I hope this thread tells you not to worry about that.

As for the burning need for large scale studies and documentation to prove that it works, I say why? The information you need is here you just have to apply it and see for yourself. I’m happy with my gains. I can understand the frustration on both sides though. Many of us have experienced significant gains that are not due to swelling or erection angle so we are trying to say that. For newbies you want proof that it works or you think it is some kind of internet scam. Because of the nature of PE I don’t ever think it will be medically proven and become mainstream.

I do believe in the following about PE; gains over 1 inch length and .5 girth become rare and only for the genetically inclined or super dedicated long term practicioner. There’s a fine line between great gains and potential injury. True girth gains can only be measured after a period of no PE so as to discount swelling. I do think length gains are much easier to attain than girth gains.

I want a study that proves that if I go out of home I will not get a flu, otherwise I’ll not go out of home for the rest of my life.

Obsessions can hide behind poses of extreme rationalism.

Urologists will be glad if a study will prove that jelqing can enlarge your penis? Oh, sure.

Well, if you’re insinuating that my lack of gains is somehow tied to my support of johndough’s arguments, then you’re absolutely wrong. Dig through my posting history. I shared many of these thoughts/skepticisms very early in my PE career. I was extremely skeptical of PE long before I began doing it. So, while my abysmal results certainly didn’t help curb that skepticism, it definitely didn’t make it any worse. If I truly believed that this was all one big hoax, do you think I’d still be here supporting it? I don’t think so.

The reality is:

Several members have a history of reporting faulty measuring techniques and having to scale back their numbers (and I think you know what I’m talking about). This, I’m sorry to say, damages credibility, and helps create the skepticisms that we are arguing about in this thread.

I understand why you would get irritated when people question your success. And it’s not necessarily because they believe you are blatantly lying. Personally, I tend to relate it to measuring errors and sudden boosts in EQ. But, respectfully, without proof, is there any real reason why anybody should believe you on an internet forum?

It’s well within your right to be irritated when someone questions your results. But it’s also well within their right to question your results when you fail to adequately authenticate them. Some people require proof to believe. I’m not saying that I’m one of them, but in this arena, I can respect that notion.

Is there any real reason why I should care if anyone believe or not my gains?

Is there any real reason why a guy should jump put saying ‘I don’t believe your gains’?

Well, sometimes there is : maybe I’m boasting about my size and people are irritated, or I’m trying to sell something…but otherwise, no other reason than starting a bitch. (:

My comments were directed at the people who do get irritated when people question their success. Personally, I wouldn’t care if people questioned my results. Hell, I actually have people out there that think I’m lying about not gaining just for the attention :D . But it doesn’t bother me and that’s really the point I’m trying to make. If you’re not willing to prove something, then don’t get pissed off when people question you. That’s all :)

I’m not insinuating anything, I just find it interesting that you defend anyone who isn’t very lucky with PE gains, be it from lack of trying, lack of belief, lack of discipline or simply bad luck (i.e. doing everything right and still not gaining). But it doesn’t surprise me because you’re in the same boat so it’s expected to some extent.

I’m very aware of this because I myself had faulty measuring technique. Lucky for me, my starting measurement was correct, but with time I started measuring differently because my eyes got greedy seeing I can measure somewhat correctly and still get amazing numbers. That led me to believe I gained much more than I actually gained. Now I use the same technique as my starting measurement (standing straight, ruler on top center of penis, 90° angle) and I’m sure it’s legit. It’s also bigger in my hands, my girlfriend’s hands and compared to other objects.

I see what you’re trying to say. I also have a dose of skepticism whenever someone claims huge gains. I probably won’t believe gains of over 2” in length or 1” in girth without pictures, but anything below that is quite possible. You don’t have to believe anyone, but I think we’re trying to keep an honest community here. When all is said and done, you’re the one that’s going to wield an enlarged penis and it doesn’t matter who believes and who doesn’t. Those who don’t, let them live with penis they’ve been born with and enjoy your gains. ;)

I took pictures of my starting size, but unfortunately without a ruler. As such, they don’t hold much merit in this discussion. I posted them once, but later requested their removal. Maybe it’s somewhat hypocritical of me to demand picture proof when I don’t have it myself, but at least I’m not claiming any outrageous gains, on the contrary, my gains are pretty standard.

All in all, I see no sense in coming on a PE forum to discuss how it doesn’t work. It’s full of people who are sure it works because they tried it themselves and seen the results with their own eyes. So what’s the point?

This thread isnt really about questioning anyones success. It is more about the whole thing being impossible. And I will stick with what I said earlier. Also I never got “pissed off”, I’m still not pissed off. I just believe that if someone is going to hold the stance that PE is impossible, then no amount of proof is going to persuade them, so leave them to it.

Haha you do crack me up, Up.

So you’re not insinuating anything - but then your next comment is just one gigantic insinuation ;)

I don’t even measure my dick these days with a ruler. I measure it with my mind and my hands and by the response from my woman.

I’ve got an idea for the skeptics: leave this forum and spend your precious time elsewhere doing something that you do believe in…!