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So here is a interesting subject to debate. You can have a guy with an 8 BPEL but 1 inch fat pad vs a guy that is 8 BPEL with a 1/4 inch fat pad. I would imagine the guy with 1/4 inch FP will go deeper and obvious look bigger. Yet both have the same BPEL.

True and True.

Originally Posted by gomitadelimon
So here is a interesting subject to debate. You can have a guy with an 8 BPEL but 1 inch fat pad vs a guy that is 8 BPEL with a 1/4 inch fat pad. I would imagine the guy with 1/4 inch FP will go deeper and obvious look bigger. Yet both have the same BPEL.

While you are right.. It reminds me of “insertible length” ..by aluding to “go deeper” I assume that you are talking about a vagina, maybe even up the ass.

If you are talking about a vagina.. It just depends on the girl that you are with. 3 or 4 to 7 inches is the approximate average of depth for an unstimulated vagina, I believe.
The vulva—or labias—can swell during various stimulations; The Vagina can expand (and contract) during sexual stimulation to accommodate size.

So. 8 inches can be “large” for some girls. 3/4 of an inch of useable erect penis could be nice and look aesthetically pleasing…but everything of note for a woman’s pleasure when it comes to in her vagina is the opening or 1-3 inches in.

An inch or more of fat pad, the person probably should consider losing weight—especially if they are concerned with penis length.
For anal sex: An individual can go significantly deeper “up someone’s ass” with a cock. Here, its preference and length can matter a great deal?And vaginally, unless a girl gets off on her cervix being hit with 9+ inches, both guys in your scenerio are doing just fine with the ladies.
*I have noticed that girth can be a real game changer.

Who looks lengthier, though? The man with less fat pad— unless, well, the larger fat pad man also has more girth… He will appear to be even more shorter then he already does for useable length.. even though as you stated they are effectively the same BPEL.

Sorry if this wasn’t the appropriate answer/ the one that you’re more looking for.


Last edited by SolomonKane1349 : 03-28-2022 at . Reason: Typing errors and clarification.

Yeah guys always say BPEL is usable but in reality most of the time it’s not entirely, in some positions not even all of your NBPEL is usable (think, pronebone or laying on your sides)

Yeah I agree. There’s a lot of guys who will claim they reached their 8 inch goal, but when they post their pics, it doesn’t always LOOK like 8 inches. Of course on skinny guys, it definitely looks like 8 inches, sometimes bigger. And I think its just a matter of NBPEL/fat pad like ya’ll have already mentioned.

In truth, I claim 7.4 inches BPEL but when I look down, it definitely doesn’t look that way. In terms of NBPEL, I’m a little closer to 7” rather than 7.5.” Now if I were to share stats OUTSIDE of PE Forums, I’d probably claim to sexual partners that I’m 7.” However, I’ve been watching what I’m eating very closely and I’m slowly losing weight. Hopefully I can trim some fat off my fat pad. I’m 5’6” and currently 170. I’d like to get down to 150. I’m down about 8 pounds so far.


Start: 6/23/16 BPEL: 5.81" BEG: 5.75"

Now: 3/31/22 BPEL: 7.6" MEG: 5.6"

Short Term Goal: 8" BPEL x 6" MEG Long Term Goal: 9" NBPEL x 6.5" MEG ----> 7" NBPFL Kik: Swimbarracuda

Idk how you guys have such thin fat pads. I had liposuction on my fat pad so that it was virtually zero fat, and then I dieted down so that the rest of my body got lean, abs and everything, and despite having no fat around the penis, the skin, muscle, tissue, etc, is still around an inch thick when I jam a ruler down into the bone.

There is several articles on this subject that one can google. One claims the following “For every 30-50lbs of excess weight you will lose an inch of visible penis” and many others claim from .5 to 1 inch based on weight loss.

Does losing weight make your penis bigger? Dr. Elist M.D FACS Answers

Obviously this doe not equate to loosing 100 LB to 2 inches gain but if you have a rather puffy fat pad this might help with the visual at the least.

Might be time to motivate yourself to drop those extra pounds :)

Originally Posted by Swimbarracuda
Yeah I agree. There’s a lot of guys who will claim they reached their 8 inch goal, but when they post their pics, it doesn’t always LOOK like 8 inches. Of course on skinny guys, it definitely looks like 8 inches, sometimes bigger. And I think its just a matter of NBPEL/fat pad like ya’ll have already mentioned.

In truth, I claim 7.4 inches BPEL but when I look down, it definitely doesn’t look that way. In terms of NBPEL, I’m a little closer to 7” rather than 7.5.” Now if I were to share stats OUTSIDE of PE Forums, I’d probably claim to sexual partners that I’m 7.” However, I’ve been watching what I’m eating very closely and I’m slowly losing weight. Hopefully I can trim some fat off my fat pad. I’m 5’6” and currently 170. I’d like to get down to 150. I’m down about 8 pounds so far.

So, If I am 7” BPEL but 6-6.3” NBPEL I am really in 6” length territory and not 7”, am I right? When I get hard I don’t look that big, until I press down my fat-pad and my pictures in my progression thread show this. When you are going to town with the missus I personally think NBPEL only matters, because I have never felt it compressing and revealing the hidden inch of length. It is really a bummer we can’t just melt our fat-pad when working out.

I reckon the lower the area of fat, the harder to get rid of it.

Anyone who ever tried to get a six pack will know that the lowest two abs are damn near impossible to get.

But that’s how it’s achievable, HIIT and low carb diet.
I was able to make my fat pad go almost to 0. When I press down it’s just bone. It can be done but it takes effort.

Besides PE I think it’s a good idea to get in shape regardless for a myriad of different obvious reasons.

And I always get surprised by overweight guys doing PE, it’s not like a girl will will be interested to have sex with you if you’re clearly physically out of shape just coz you got a big one.
Well maybe some, but usually theres an evolutionary barrier to that in human minds


02/22:BPEL 7.00,MEG 5.00

05/22:BPEL 7.36,MEG 5.35

Next Goal: 7.5 x 5.5

I’ve never really understood this whole concept of only NBP being “useable”.

If I’m going hard fucking and the girl is into it I’ll smash that fat pad till it’s only a mm thick and every mm of my cock is “hidden” in her.

Not trying to have a go at anyone in particular but I’ve seen a few comments across this site that make out like there’s some invisible force field to stop you going deeper that gets activated as soon as your pubes touch.

Visually tho, yeah I get it. And agree with the multitude of health benefits that go along with reducing your fat pad.

If you wear a cock ring during sex you will feel it compress into the bone hard. More especially if she’s on top or if you are but not so much in others. Yal are not giving yourselves enough credit. You go deeper than you think you do.

I always considered “usable length” to be halfway between BPEL and NBPEL.

NBPEL = Visible length.

BPEL is very close to usable length. Unless you have a very large fat pad most of it will compress during sex so usable length is very close to BPEL. Just press a finger in your fat pad and see how compressible it is.

If you are pounding away the fat pad gets very compressed. Even in those soft and slow times just grab her hips and give a little push at the end to get a little more in.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.75” BPEL; 7.25” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

I might have almost an inch of fat pad in front of my pubic bone above my cock, but I can push into my wife’s vagina and our bones literally meet, like I can feel the bone pressing into her’s. When a vagina is properly stimulated it can accept a lot of length. The internal clitoris swells and creates its own “pad” for protection at the vaginal opening. I don’t care what it looks like, a normal fat pad on a normal man with average BMI for their stature is not an insurmountable amount of fat that can prevent more push into a vagina. Maybe its not just the pad itself but the way fat grows and rests on the front of a man. Some guys have swollen-like lower abs and some fat too, like bloating that is there all the time at rest, and that can have effect on their ability to push their cock past the fat pad.

Talk about useable length of a cock in relation to a fat pad sometimes sounds like the men who ask or talk about it haven’t had much time inside a vagina. This kind of talk sounds like worry and wonder about if a man is long enough.

There is also this false idea about vaginal length, “bottoming out” in it, and where the cervix is and if a man is long enough to “hit” the cervix. If a woman is properly excited and stimulated, the cervix lifts up because the uterus raises up and lifts out of the way because its connected to the clitoris. When excited, the vagina tents and lengthens, the end widens to create a “pool” shape for semen to fill up and its a reservoir for proper impregnation, and no matter how long or shaped a penis is, the cervix does not have to be “hit” and contact with it is not a determination of vaginal size or penis size.

Sheri Winston’s “Women’s Anatomy of Arousal” is a book all men need to read. Its for women to learn about their own anatomy and how it works, but honestly its more valuable for men. If men who worry about being small, having too much fat pad, their NBPL versus BPL, etc. read this book they’d gain more confidence about their own body and ability to pleasure a woman…and their own selves.


Starting length, Spring 2003: bpel 6 3/8", bpfsl ~6 1/2", flaccid ~3-4" (never measured flaccid stretched or hanging flaccid; starting girth was probably ~5"-5 1/4")

Summer 2004: bpel 7 7/8", bpfsl 8 1/8", flaccid ~4", erect girth 5.3"

Spring 2018: bpel 7 1/4", bpfsl 7 5/8", erect girth 5 1/8"; Spring 2020: bpel 7 3/4", bpfsl 8", erect girth 5 3/8". Current - August 2021: bpel 7 3/4", bpfsl 8", erect girth 5 1/4"

Good to know about cervix raising up. One girl who I’ve known a long time said something like hit my cervix , and I replied wait a sec, I’m not sure if I’m big enough to do that. Not reading into it , but at the time made me think she’s had her cervix hit before, which means she wasn’t quite or totally aroused, if or when that happened. Maybe she was just repeating but I think she’s had her share of partners.

She seems submissive and tends to like being used, in her relationship s, like she gets pleasure from it. Like the sweet dreams are made of these song. Some of them want to be used by you.

When a woman is not stimulated you can touch the cervix with your fingers.


Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG

Current: 7.75” BPEL; 7.25” NBPEL; 8.25” BPFSL; 6.25” - 6.5” MEG w/ c-ring.

Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.

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