Venous leaks

So I made a comment the other day on another thread about venous leaks. I tried to keep it simple. I said a broken valve is just that broken and can’t be repaired. I didn’t see the need to get into the degree of valvular dysfunction. That’s kind of boring stuff. I made reference to a leaky faucet; if the slow drip of water doesn’t bother you than leave it alone. If it drives you nuts than you need a new valve. You see it’s actually the degree of dysfunction that is the issue. For some guys with leaks Viagra works fine; their leak maybe only 25%. Others the drug will not work at all. Their dysfunction is much greater.
Well as often is the case someone, and this is a good guy, found a study where testosterone cured one guys venous leak; only one man who also happened to have a circulatory problem as well. Well what great news for guys with venous leaks; a cure has been found! Sadly wrong.

How do you get a venous leak? Well it’s either genetic, a metabolic disturbance in utero,a systemic disease in adults or we damage the poor little valve ourselves. After all valves are such delicate little things. Wrong again.
Let’s try a little experiment which I know you won’t do. Any of you guys trying to rub the veins on the back of your hand doing the AM method to see if the vessel grew? I didn’t think so.

Okay let’s try this new one about the poor little valves. Take your finger and tap your forehead in the same spot 70 times in a minute. Now do that for 60 minutes. Guess what? The skin on your forehead will begin to get sore. Now do it for another 60 minutes and the bone underneath the skin will start to get sore. I bet no one can do that for more than 2-3 hours; besides it’s boring.

Now you have this gentle little valve that 70 times a minute,4200 times an hour,100,800 times per day gets pounded by the pressure of the heart pushing blood through it. You think anything that has to put up with that amount of stress each day was made cheaply? Now that’s just in one day. How many times does that vein get smacked in a year or over the course of your lifetime? You do the math.

Okay the one man that got cured by testosterone. Does it work for everyone? Who knows? Many many studies still must be done. In that same thread a mention was made of a type of microsurgery that may help fix the problem. Actually according to articles in the Journal of Urology there are 3 microsurgeries that may show some promise. Well how come medicine isn’t out there fixing venous leaks? Well they don’t know how effective these procedures are, how many people it will actually work on, what kind of predisposing health condition may hep or hurt the procedure and all the possible side effects. You see you guys want the cure but you don’t want anything else to happen that may be bad. That’s why before all these things you look up and say we have the cure why not use them is because they haven’t been studied enough to be sure they’re safe and who they’re safe on. Medicine isn’t hiding anything. They want to heal, they make money healing,but they also don’t want to cause harm because some of you guys love lawyers.

So when you guys “do your research” and find an abstract, not the actual study, but an abstract of what is being studied remember until it is proven effective and safe it really doesn’t exist. When the studies are finished and it enters into clinical practice then you can talk about it. Many of the little abstracts you pull up will never make into clinical practice because as the studies continue they may find problems with it.
Bottom line; venous leaks still can’t be clinically cured.

I read on a thread awhile back that venous leak can be caused by damage to the erectile tissue resulting in the veins not being sealed off properly, not necessarily damage to the veins themselves. The poster was from Germany and said he had spoken to different urologists at different hospitals, and had undergone venous litigation surgery, which was unsuccessful.

Is venous leak always from an issue with the vein/s themselves, or can it be from damage to the erectile tissue?

Good stuff jimmy, the only thing you got wrong was the leaky faucet isn’t a valve it’s a washer but otherwise good stuff. I can tell your tired of the venous leak post and so am I.

I completely agree with you, and I think the best way to clear it up is by getting definitive answers to questions that may still arise. That said I thought the post was really informative and appreciate him posting it.

From what I managed to determine this disease is not fully understood.
Some time ago I was interested in vains health and discovered something interesting.
I doubt that it will solve this problem, but it can be helpful.

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However, you should be aware that when using l-lysine you may have erection problems.

Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading it.

Plaque buildup in the arteries would make blood flow through them at a slower rate though wouldn’t it? With a venous leak, blood is exiting the penis through certain veins too quickly. So if a person had plaque buildup in those veins, I don’t see why it would cause symptoms of a venous leak. I believe cardiovascular disease can cause erectile dysfunction because less blood is flowing into the penis. One urologist explained to me that sometimes, when blood is flowing into the penis too slowly, the erect chambers don’t seal off the veins quickly enough, and blood also starts to flow out of the penis too quickly, but the root of the problem is lack of inflow. The most compelling explanation of venous leak that I saw was the thread where the poster talked about how it can be due to damage to the erectile tissue, preventing it from sealing off certain veins properly. It was by tbirdy on mattersofsize but I don’t remember the exact thread, I’ll try to find it.

Sadly I know for a fact that venous leaks can be caused by trauma to the unit.

When I was young and crazy we used to drink and do coke with groups of our friends and close the

Meat market bars at 4am, then , if not lucky ,cruise the downtown streets of a major midwestern City, we would

Find gaggles of street girls on several known corners and side streets. One corner especially, Broadway and Buena

Was a hot spot.

Many of these girls were pretty hot, some not, but you made your choice.

Most were drugged up on something.

One one occasion, I had a drunk woody, and my partner got tired of the BJ she was performing after ten minutes,

And decided to rotate her head and clamp down pretty hard with her rear molars and sideways shred

The poor Member.

It was painful, but I was blackout drunk, and it took about 15 seconds to realize she was going at it way

Too hard. It took another five seconds to get her to stop.

The Member started swelling two hours later, and looked like a tomato in the morning.

I iced it (painful) and ran cool water on it all day Sunday.

Age 30, the thing started losing its ability to maintain a lasting erection immediately after that stupid event,

And has gone straight downhill way earlier then normal in our life span.

No recovery in sight.

Now dependent on chemistry to maintain a useful unit.

Be careful out there.

So, yah, I’d say trauma can cause lasting venous leaks.

Greetings Jimmybob55,

Janus Here,

Good to see you are still thinking away.

Something others might want to know is that shear stress has been shown to beneficially alter gene expression in veins directly responsible for valve formation.

Flow control in our vessels: vascular valves make sure there is no way back - PMC

Regarding the blood vessel on your arm, based on the design, they would have an easier time in this case by relaxing and contracting their muscles. Say by clenching and un-clenching their hand. Muscles and blood vessels exist in relation to one another in a manner that allows them to work together.

Its not surprising that an anabolic substance, known for altering cellular metabolism, improved venous leakage.

Also, outside of genetic deficiency, the body is perfectly capable of fixing this problem on its own with exercise. No need for ridiculously expensive medical procedures, drugs, or similar ilk.

The body fixes valves? Just need a bit of exercise? Well them cardiac surgeons fixing leaky heart valves by having to put in new ones, well they really missed it huh? Oh I know they’re just making money.

This article is extraordinarily long, which is fine but it might be helpful if you could summarize exactly how the article proves your assertions, perhaps with some direct quotes. Plus a root cause of venous leak means too much blood is escaping the penis, so I don’t see how growing more new valves would be a solution.

Your statement about it being unsurprising how a metabolic substance that can alter cellular structure can affect venous leaks is a bit vague. In that one cited instance did the testosterone only improve the venous leak while the person was taking it, or did it cure it completely even after they stopped? Increased testosterone is going to help anyone have a higher libido and better erections.

Greetings Inspirit99,

Janus Here,

Whenever a vein is exposed to shear stress it forms small spots that bubble outwardly, away from the center of the vein. These form pockets that cause vortical swirling. Swirling which is dependent on adequate levels of shear stress and therefore blood flow to maintain. As this vortical swirling continues, gene expression, cellular metabolism— all of it gets affected by this pocket of spherical swirling. This in turn helps the valve form.

Regarding blood escaping, this is a two fold answer.

Whether from trauma or repeated instances of impaired blood flow, its pretty clear that the smooth muscles in the corpora cavernosum have switched to a synthetic/non-contractile phenotype. Androgens are very important for maintaining contractile phenotypes in blood vessels. Furthermore, sufficient and regular instances of blood flow is important to maintaining a contractile phenotype. Therefore, so long as the persons androgens are not depressed—increasing blood flow locally should go a very long way towards improving all aspects of a venous leak.

Of course, doctors have no idea. NIH are missing many points too and should come here for information. He’s right because psuedo-doctors always are. They didn’t teach you that in med school? ;)

What exactly is the point of this post? If you think something posted here was wrong, feel free to explain why or ask questions, but don’t tell us that everyone who chooses to ask questions about the human body is some kind of quack or nutjob. You are playing on ignorance and stereotypes with this post and contributing nothing of substance. Someone who practices PE should understand this.

Actually, that was an inside joke…..

It was supposed to be an inside joke, that was put into a public post, where I don’t see how else it could be interpreted other than you mean what you said. The fact is that it mocks people simply for posting, without actually getting into the facts of what they’re posting about. In other words it’s a distraction from what could end up being an interesting an informative discussion. Maybe I should’ve just ignored it.