When Growth Occurs

I have measured length gains during rest periods (suggesting actual growth), but it was BPEL so that’s unreliable, it could have been an EQ fluctuation. I have also gotten reliable length gains (BPFSL) a day or two, maybe even faster, into PE after a long break, which is very fast (suggesting plastic deformation). Maybe both is happening.

There’s a simple way to test this for length with the help of the BPFSL measurement. If you measure BPFSL after every session you should be able to see what happens, also measure before a break and after it to see if you gained during the break. That would solve the mystery but it takes discipline to do something like that. It’s very important to use the BPFSL (and pressing the ruler against the pubic bone) becuase it’s the most reliable measurement for length IMO. It rules out EQ and fat pad fluctuation and also jamming the ruler beyond the pubic bone which could contaminate the measurement.

Agreed.

I agree you should measure everytime so there is no guesswork.

It seems like less is more is winning out. Also variety I think brings about gains, especially after the Newbie gains have all but bellied up. After that grip changes may play a role in gains. Overhand, under hand, “C” grip.

I’ve said it before, if less is more I would be huge by now! :) The reality is that my gains have slowed greatly with time. :( However I’m happy the less is more approach has worked for many people. I think, at least from a plastic deformation viewpoint, that more actually is more (within reason obviously) and I’m talking mainly about time and frequency of training not so much about the force (the long duration low load approach).

I believe most early gains are “splaying” or spreading of the fibers of the tunica, and perhaps some stretching. This rapidly comes to an end.

It would be interesting to do a graph of gains, it would probably have the max of the bell curve at about 1-1.5 inches. I think that most gains are due to this stretching and “splaying”.

HOWEVER, I do believe a type of “growth” can occur, whether its true cellular growth or a type of repair, that can’t be answered without biopsies.

For most guys, it seems when gains greatly slow and some increasing of time and or stress is tried unsuccessfully, a reset or decon break is needed.

There is story after story of guys who “hit the wall” take a long period off, come back and start gaining again.

The real trick is to quickly recognize when its time to decon, and when its time to end it. That would make the process far more efficient.

The problem with “more is more” is that at some point the possible gains are far outweighed by tissue toughening.

I’ve always been a fan of Monty, made really great gains with relatively modest wts.

I wish less is more or decon breaks would help me gain but it’s just not happening for me. Like I said, I’d be huge by now because that’s what I’ve been doing the last couple of years. Good old hard work seems to do the trick though, but that’s not what people want to hear, most want a magic pill and go on with their lives (including me) :)

Sounds nice. He’s the golf weight guy right? Again, I’m all for modest weights/loads/forces/strain etc and in that respect I think less can be more in terms of not putting more stress on the dick than necessary for gains. It’s in terms of time and frequency I use the more is more approach. Just to clarify.

I think for most guys what they want is a bigger dick (their own, although I wonder about some guys here :) ), and anyway that won’t be too risky is fine.

For some the less is more is more, for some the more is more is more :) , the trick is to find what works for you and do that…more!

Monty always would wear the ADS when not hanging, and got great gains. So, it was a lot of hang time, but most of that was with an ADS he could just put on and forget about it. Smart and effective, at least for him. ( and I suspect for many)

This isn’t a bell curve, but might be of interest nonetheless:

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From the thread Size’s PE data analysis

This might be closer to what you have in mind, and it does indeed show a displacement, before to after, of about an inch:

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from the same thread.

Awesome, thanks!

It seems that most growth is 2 inches and under, the vast majority. That tends to indicate to me that a stretching or splaying mechanism is at play, with a limited potential.

I still believe growth (of some type)is possible, but is probably far more uncommon (difficult) to achieve. All just my guesses on the subject.

I really do think good nutrition plays more of a role in penis growth than we give credit to.