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Very small sample size there, 6 samples from 3 penis’s.

That’s 3 different studies that have been posted here now and they all have different averages for the elastic modulus. The studies with larger sample sizes also show large variation between the samples. So one thing they all prove is there is a wide variation in TA strength from your hard gainer to your easy gainer.

Unfortunately I’m not sure what else we can take from it? Which study do we trust?

Interesting study on a very small sample size. Thanks for the link. I understand it’s not easy to obtain large sample size in this kind of trial so if anything derived out of it may require lot of extrapolation with large margin of error. Nevertheless in PE application, I was curious if the mean ultimate tensile strength 1.8mPa within SD 0.6 longitudinally indicates that at the average weight around 30 kg, the penis is at an injury breaking point. From what I read on Thunder, 45 lb (~22.4 kg) is about the max hanging weight.

Originally Posted by scienceguy
Very small sample size there, 6 samples from 3 penis’s.

That’s 3 different studies that have been posted here now and they all have different averages for the elastic modulus. The studies with larger sample sizes also show large variation between the samples. So one thing they all prove is there is a wide variation in TA strength from your hard gainer to your easy gainer.

Unfortunately I’m not sure what else we can take from it? Which study do we trust?

What I am taking away is that, depending on your flaccid girth, you can estimate the plastic region.

If we use the load calculator then we can calculate the not only the failure point (1.7/1.8 Mpa) but get an idea of the entrance into the plastic region that is around 40% of the failure point.

The 40-45 LB range seems to come up repeatedly in these forums in many older posts. This just gives validation to something that has worked for many by trial and error.

Originally Posted by Wayne1985
Interesting study on a very small sample size. Thanks for the link. I understand it’s not easy to obtain large sample size in this kind of trial so if anything derived out of it may require lot of extrapolation with large margin of error. Nevertheless in PE application, I was curious if the mean ultimate tensile strength 1.8mPa within SD 0.6 longitudinally indicates that at the average weight around 30 kg, the penis is at an injury breaking point. From what I read on Thunder, 45 lb (~22.4 kg) is about the max hanging weight.

I completely agree. Looks like some validation to what many older hangers have found out by trial and error. Actually 45 LB is 20.4 Kg.

I just used the load calculator on myself.

Flaccid girth :120 mm
Stress: 1.8 Mpa (34.43 Kg = 75.7 LB )

Seems like .9 to1.1 Mpa is the weight that one starts to go into the plastic region in my case.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing goma.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

I would love to read the opinion of Kyrpa, Tutt on this topic.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by Wayne1985

From what I read on Thunder, 45 lb (~22.4 kg) is about the max hanging weight.

Well, you haven’t been reading enough. I think that 1 or 2 years ago there was a guy here hanging 40 kg and he was in contact with another guy that was hanging 55kg, they were making gains.

Of course the point is not a contest of “who hangs more!”, but to achieve fatigue early on the first set and ride through less weight along sequent sets.

Bib said that when he used to hang there were times that he could achieve at the first set with 10~11kg and decreasing it to 6kg. Also, there were times that he could only achieve fatigue by 25~26kg and then reducing it. Of course we are talking here about ligaments. However there are guys that do tunica hanging and it is another story, for you to start having gains with this modality/genre of hanging you must be very experienced at ligament hanging and then you can start doing tunica hanging with 10 kg. Yes, 10 kg to start. Remember a dude from bib’s forum gained almost 2 inches only tunica hanging going between 20~35kg.


started April 2017 BPEL 16,7cm x 13,3cm EG Last measurement BPEL 20 cm x 14,8 cm EG

My progress, thoughts and pictures

Rotated Penis? Unbalanced Ligaments? Lack of Gains through Manual Routine?

Originally Posted by igigi
I would love to read the opinion of Kyrpa, Tutt on this topic.

Happy to help. I would like to hear their opinions as well.

Originally Posted by gomitadelimon
I completely agree. Looks like some validation to what many older hangers have found out by trial and error. Actually 45 LB is 20.4 Kg.

I just used the load calculator on myself.

Flaccid girth :120 mm
Stress: 1.8 Mpa (34.43 Kg = 75.7 LB )

Seems like .9 to1.1 Mpa is the weight that one starts to go into the plastic region in my case.

Gomita, how did you derive the range [.9 to 1.1 Mpa] in your case? I figure the range may fall within 40% failure point and is unique for each person.

Do they correlate to your history records as you noticed major gain?

Originally Posted by Wayne1985
Gomita, how did you derive the range [.9 to 1.1 Mpa] in your case? I figure the range may fall within 40% failure point and is unique for each person.

Do they correlate to your history records as you noticed major gain?

I got this off a post a while back by a member here called “Shiver.”

Deformation: Intensity, Method and Recovery guidelines

It just made sense when using the load calculator by Spectral88. I not only compared Mpa but also N.

The stress is divided into four bands which are defined very roughly as follows:

A <80N (<18lbs)
B 80-180N (18-40lbs)
C 180-280N (40-63lbs)
D >280N (>63lbs)

From these four bands, they have four types of therapy intensity/duration which are listed below with some key points:

Area S1: defined as all of band A
Stimulates fibrocytes to maintain length; until the first slight feeling of stretch. If held for a few minutes the feeling of stretch goes away (accommodates). If sustained for 20 – 30 minutes will signal fibrocytes to remodel tissue longer (sustained low load stretch). Very effective at signaling fibroblasts to remodel collagen in late inflammatory/ early proliferative phase.

Exercise: Daily - eg. ADS

Area S2: defined as lower half of band B
The elastic range actual stretching; some fibers slip, some bonds break, some fibers denature.
If sustained for 20 – 30 minutes will signal fibrocytes to remodel tissue longer (sustained low load stretch) but is difficult to tolerate for 20-30 minutes.

Exercise: Needs at least one day rest between bouts. eg. Hanging/Stretching

Area S3: defined as upper part of band B and small part of band C
Works in the elastic range and a bit of the plastic range; significant stretching; many fibers slip, bonds break, some fibers denature. Stimulates fibrocytes to remodel tissue longer with time. Painful stretch, hard tolerate.

Exercise: Needs at least one day rest between bouts(!?!). eg. Possibly stretching, though a little on the extreme side for most.

Area S4: defined as middle of band C
Not practiced by physical therapists (occasionally by surgeons with anesthesia or unconscious patients!)

Excercise: N/A to us

Just to be clear I don´t think we can stay at that weight more than 5-8 minutes and think it is best to stay closer to 5 minutes.

So you might do your normal sets and every second or third day you do an extra 5 minute set at that weight.


Currently at 8.125 BPEL and 6.25 Girth

Originally Posted by gomitadelimon
What I am taking away is that, depending on your flaccid girth, you can estimate the plastic region.

If we use the load calculator then we can calculate the not only the failure point (1.7/1.8 Mpa) but get an idea of the entrance into the plastic region that is around 40% of the failure point.

The 40-45 LB range seems to come up repeatedly in these forums in many older posts. This just gives validation to something that has worked for many by trial and error.

How is it calculated?

EDIT: Disregard. I see your link to it, now. Thanks.

Originally Posted by gomitadelimon

I got this off a post a while back by a member here called “Shiver.”

Deformation: Intensity, Method and Recovery guidelines
……….

Just to be clear I don´t think we can stay at that weight more than 5-8 minutes and think it is best to stay closer to 5 minutes.

So you might do your normal sets and every second or third day you do an extra 5 minute set at that weight.

I see. Thanks for the link and clarification.

EDIT: Reply coming later


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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