Had the surgery, observations, Bib question...

Hey folks

I’m new to the forum, had the surgery one month ago. Would I do it had I found this forum before hand, probably not. Well I did pick up 3/8” BP (5 3/8 to 5 3/4) essentially from the surgery (just light hanging since a few days post op). This was exactly what the doctor said I should expect, he was very good and did tell me hanging without the surgery would produce gains but at a slower rate. He said I should try it but being impatient I just scheduled the surgery (4K… no vacations for a while!). I was a present to myself after breaking up with my ex. Given my nature it would also make me stick to the PE program after the financial and physical pain.

Observations: The surgery was not that bad, I did it under local anasthesia, didnt want to be sedated. The next day or so was tough, tylenol PM got me through the nights. I had hoped for bigger gains off the surgery but I do have a low LOT, like 7 not sure wether the surgery has effected this but it could be that I didnt have a lot to gain from the ligs anyway… since according to the doctor some guys do get significant gains from the surgery (maybe they have/had high LOT’s) I will still go BTC for a few months just to get as much as I can from the Ligs and the surgery… I mentioned this to my doctor and he seems to place a bigger emphasis on total hanging time… he recommends 8 hours a day… easy for him to say.

Hanging: I started out with the grip, its not bad except it becomes ineffective north of 6lbs. I do think the grip has some effective lower weight/longer time systems that I will continue to use. I now have the bib starter, it feels more comfortable right below the head (as opposed to further down the shaft) What Ive read indicates it should be further down, any danger in this? my head essentially balloons while i’m hanging… is this ok? My concern is I’ve had a couple of occasions where I started to get numb pretty quickly. I have read the faq and user guide… would like some perspectives as the Bib is tricky to say the least. I’m using an Ace wrap with a velcro end which seems to work pretty well.

If anyone has any questions on the surgery, which again I would probably hang for a few months at least before I even thought about it… or comments please let me know.

Big(oneday!)inMiami

biginmiami,

Wow you went for it huh? I thought about it for a while but chickened out. Did you have the alloderm implant for thickness done also or just the ligament lengthening?

It’s cool you noticed an immediate gain of 3/8 BP. Any flaccid gains as well?

I would have shelled out the money (4 grand seems like a pretty good deal from what I remember researching) but then since I heard I would need to stretch or hang for up to a year afterwards anyway I decided to try the manual approach first. It does seem to be working but as your Doctor said it is slow (at least for me) But at least it is working.

Welcome to this site and good luck with your gains. There is a lot of really cool people here and a lot of help.

miami,

>I do have a low LOT, like 7 not sure wether the surgery has effected this but it could be that I didnt have a lot to gain from the ligs anyway…<

It would seem your LOT was higher than 7 before the surgery, given your gains. Are you sure it is 7 and not 6? Are you going by sight or feel?

> since according to the doctor some guys do get significant gains from the surgery (maybe they have/had high LOT’s)<

I think this is true.

> I will still go BTC for a few months just to get as much as I can from the Ligs and the surgery… I mentioned this to my doctor and he seems to place a bigger emphasis on total hanging time… <

Yeah from what little I have read you need to hang low angles in order to keep the ligs seperated, how long did he suggest hanging for (as in weeks months etc)?

>he recommends 8 hours a day… easy for him to say.<

lol

>I now have the bib starter, it feels more comfortable right below the head (as opposed to further down the shaft) What Ive read indicates it should be further down, any danger in this? <

One inch behind the head should be the attachment point, not right behind the head.

>my head essentially balloons while i’m hanging… is this ok? <

Not really, I think there might be too much pressure in the head, because the wrapping is too tight. It is ok to leave some blood in the head, but try doing this at first; after wrapping, push the wrap towards the head, and squeeze the head to push excess blood out. Then the head should not balloon if the wrap is loose enough.

>My concern is I’ve had a couple of occasions where I started to get numb pretty quickly. I have read the faq and user guide… would like some perspectives as the Bib is tricky to say the least. I’m using an Ace wrap with a velcro end which seems to work pretty well. <

Do you make sure the wrap is loose? Have you played with different hex nut settings?

SS4

biginmiami,

Wow, man, I wish you would have found the forum earlier….lotta guys here would’ve done the best they could to talk you out of it.

$4,000 for 0.38” - and you have to hang anyway.

I feel for you man. Most guys just don’t realize there is such a thing as natural PE.

Hell, for 1/10 of that $$$, you could’ve bought a Bib hanger, a quality pump & tube & had some cash left over. But, of course, it’s already done.

You are brave, though. I could’ve never gone through with something like that - impatient or not.

I wish you luck with PE.

“Feeling numb with the Starter right behind the head”. Bad, bad, bad ! ! !!!!You are feeling numb because you are applying pressure to the penile nerve which is very near the top of your penis at the junction of shaft and glans. Never put the clamp so close to the glans., to avoid injury to the penile nerve.

Goingforit

Thanks… I just had the lengthening, flaccid gain was more but its hard to say exactly, maybe 5/8… yeah I gambled… i’m waiting 6 months to see where I am, if I get an inch erect I’ll be happy.

SS4

You raise an interesting point on the LOT, I dont believe they release as much of the suspensory ligament these days so I wouldnt necessarily be at 6. For example my erection angle while lower is definitely not that different. I think in earlier procedures where the ligs were completely released you had alot of instability in the erect penis. The doctor said to give the traction 6 months. This of course is what I wrestled with, how much would I gain with 6 months of hanging absent the surgery, I figured about half and so I gambled. Thanks for the help on the Bib, its already getting easier, now I just have to keep playing with the wrap and hex nut settings.

Wadzilla

I know… I’m giving it 6 months since in theory the gains should come easier… its definitely a gamble.

Boxcar23

Thanks… yeah that was a little scary!

yeah, ease that bib back on the shaft a bit, and give your head a rest.

also…dont waste any more time with the grip…its complete bullshit.

use all the time you have for the bib. and do stretches and jelqs in the shower. jelqs when pissing (the “shake” before and after you piss).

and do PC exercises all the time.

Welcome aboard! A true shame you had to spend all that $$ though! I’m not at all new to this stuff or hanging myself. THis is last month has just been the first time that I have really been able to totally commit to my program. Anyway, over the last 4 weeks I have gained the SAME 3/8” you paid 4K for ! Then again, I’m hanging 4 hours a day. If I understand the “lengthening surgery” properly….all that’s done is the top ligament/s are detached and, then reattached at a somewhat lower point?