Hang Without Wrap?

Thanks for that BD.

The wrap for me isn’t something that constricts - just the same as girth more or less. I use Theraband for this, which then grips better to the Theraband glued on the Bib - without a wrap I find it’s too painful/too much stretch. If I attach too near the base, the skin stretch is too intense for me, so find it works around half way down, which then goes forward with weight to nearer the glans.

Actually that’s one thing I was going to ask you about the stretch feeling - I remember you posting to Xeno a while back when you were starting out with this modified Bib method whether you had got it right or if what you were doing was some advanced skin stretching exercise! I now have the same question since I feel I have to reduce weight based on tenderness of the shaft/skin on the body side of the hanger - as in not based on that dull ache in ligs that I associate with proper fatigue. So what was your conclusion on that - you gained with that method clearly, but in terms of what you felt as ‘fatigue’, did it always feel like a bunch of skin stretching going on as well to you?

I don’t remember the specific comment.

Some amount of skin stretch is inevitable while doing compression style hanging. If your skin is very tight it might be a requirement to gain.

I remember the feeling of stretchy sore skin around the attachment point as the day would go on. But the skin would always recover very quickly, being ready to go again by the next day. It would also stretch out during cycles, I would have some looser skin - but then retract throughout the year. I had a tight to normal circumcision so the extra didn’t bother me. Now two years since hanging it has retracted even more and looks pretty close to how it was pre-PE.

Regarding the general doubts you’re having, and that you’re still using a wrap with this configuration; any doubts I had about the mods were set to rest when I was able to hang sets twice as long, with ten times the circulation and comfort. Let that be your guidepost. If you can hit the same or near the same weight you’re accustomed to, except with almost no circulation restriction, then you’ve got it. The “comfort” I’m referencing does not mean that you won’t feel stress in the target areas like the ligs or the skin around the attachment - those can still feel very intense while gaining. It means you’ll have near full circulation, and won’t be hanging on a “blood plug”, nor be crushing the urethra and nerves with how tight the hanger is set up - all moderately painful things that make hanging more uncomfortable.

So it’s a relative comfort.

Thanks BD. Yes I think you’re right about the skin being a requirement to gain - it does seem to me that it’s the skin above the hanger that is taking most of the strain. I’m not able to get up to the weight yet where last time I would fatigue in a couple of 20 min sets with the standard Bib attachment (so 5.3kg). I was up to 4.5kg yesterday but it was pretty uncomfortable. So I think I’ll just have to reduce a bit to a level of discomfort that is sustainable and let the skin adapt (will also try to ditch the wrap in this case). It’s also a new configuration so presumably max weight will be different too…

And yes it’s definitely a better way to hang weights from the point of view of circulation and the longer sets that you can get in - it’s safer and more efficient in terms of time.

Is there anyone else beside BD able to successfully modify his BIB hanger to do the /\ hanging style?

I am thinking aloud, if this /\ hang configuration is working so well, can we all request Mr. Bib to manufacture this /\ Bib Hanger and sell it? I am sure many PE’ers, including myself will make the purchase.

Or perhaps BD or Xeno can provide the modification services. PE’er will make the BIB purchase from Mr. Bib and send it to BD or Xeno to modify for a fee.

I really want a working /\ Bib and would not mind to pay for one. Does anyone concur with me?

Hi Patrick,

Personally I have no interest in such a business. And Xeno has not been around for a year or two.

The hanger configuration desribed in this thread is very similar to that which BiB himself used and recommends, if somewhat exaggerated. He preferred an extreme toe out and open bottom as well. The main difference in xenos mods is the zip tie holding the back closed, and to a lesser extent, the front bold bend for additional toe out.

I have also wondered if some hanger company might capitalize on this idea eventually, and perhaps some will at your suggestion. Bib remains quite active on his forums and was historically open to trying out modifications and suggestions.

While this configuration comes with advantages, there are trade offs. Namely the restricted angles available, and likely a lower max weight, although Ive had the fortune to never hit that limit.

One last point is that the ideal configuration for a compression hanger is ultimately very personalized to each individuals penis shape and weight (hanger weight) range. So one ends up spending many hours tinkering with the thing anyway. The mods described in this thread only take about 1 hour to complete (if one has a dremel tool) so it is a small drop in the bucket compared to the overall time commitment necessary for successful hanging - both in terms of equipment management and the hang time.

Just as a reminder, the key changes to make to a Bib hardcore are to 1. bend the front bolt, 2. remove the backbolt and replace with zip tie, 3. sand or dremel down the top and bottom teeth to accommodate the new angles, and 4. glue on some pilates band for better grip and surface contact with skin. All in all it takes about 1 hour (once you know how to do it) and is very difficult to screw up or cause anypermanent damage to the hanger.

Good luck with your gains!

Waterman888,

I’ve meant to post this for a couple weeks now, since I’ve been back to hanging. You asked me a few times about skin stretch with the modified BIB HC. I can now say there is definitely a lot of skin stretch. While the hanger remains firmly anchored to the skin where it is attached (near the mid to base shaft area) it does gradually slide forward for me. It eventually forms the ‘shoulders’ out of the entire distal shaft, which all bunches up like an accordion in front of the hanger. The ventral skin especially slides forward. So by the end of the set, or toward the end of the day as I’ve been through several sets, the hanger feels like it is resting right next to the glans, which is barely poking out in front of it. BUT, if I lift the weight up and pull out the accordion, I will see it is still firmly attached only to the same spot I set it on.

Another thing to mention is that it moves a lot more ventrally, whereas dorsally it is fixed to the attachment points. This made me think about the lower teeth of the hanger. Previously I thought the lower teeth weren’t doing anything, that they were effectively in the way of geometry of the hanger and nothing else. Now I think the lower teeth are serving as a very gentle aspect of the hanger attachment. I.e. the ventral shaft is resting against the teeth while under weight, and limiting how much of this “skin slide” can happen.

If you imagine the relative position of the hanger to the shaft - for the sake of simplicity imagine the shaft is a straight line. And the hanger is anchored to the dorsal base / midhsaft. Instead of the hanger orienting itself parallel to the shaft line - the ventral side of the hanger rides forward by about 45 degrees, and it’s catching on the ventral teeth, which are touching the ventral shaft way out just below the glans.

Anyway, hope all that helps in some way to clear things up. And I hope I didn’t mislead you on the function of the bottom teeth.

Thanks BD - yeah that’s pretty much how I found it as well. It’s a funny thing when you start with the modified BiB as it does feel just like skin stretch at the start….

I gave up on my Bib XHC. I either felt extreme skin stretch or extreme discomfort due to too much pressure. I couldn’t hang anywhere near enough weight to achieve fatigue. Perhaps I didn’t do the mods properly…

Anyone that made xeno mods, do you think you’d be able to hang effectively in SO angle or using A- Stretch fulcrum.

Guys did anyone find a good alternative hair band or similar that was used when hanging with the bib? I remember reading it was discontinued and hard to find.

I think these are the ones I got years ago.

https://www.ama zon.com/gp/aw/d … spa_mw_detail_1

They also make a Jersey headwrap. You’re looking for the one inch wide ones.

Awesome, just ordered.