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Hanging Guidelines / Personal & Average Maximum Gain-rate (PMGR & AMGR)

Hanging Guidelines / Personal & Average Maximum Gain-rate (PMGR & AMGR)

Hanging Guidelines, Personal Maximum Gain-rate (PMGR) & Average Maximum Gain-rate (AMGR)

The basic information contained in this post can be used to create a routine that can be find-tuned to get the best results possible regardless of the time you have available to hang or the weight you need to hang in order to maintain your personal maximum gain-rate.

You can use this information to design a routine that will maximise your gains whilst ensuring you don’t hang heavier weights than you absolutely have to in order to make the best gains possible for you. This is as important for safety as it is for making sure you don’t over-train to the extent that it might prevent continued long-term length-gains. Using this technique will also give you a baseline standard which you can use to compare your progress with those of other practitioners of PE so as to further fine-tune your routine for maximum effect.

Below is the best information I currently have, and the best advice I could give anyone with regards hanging for length-gains. (The following assumes an understanding on the part of the individual of the risks and responsibilities associated with the practice of natural penis enlargement— if unaware of the risks, please seek advice and information on the possible dangers before attempting to implement the steps below. The approach to the practice described here should give the best possible chance of progress with the least risk of injury, but shouldn’t be attempted without a proper understanding of the risks involved, and acceptance, on the part of the individual, of the responsibility for those risks.)

The Steps are As Follows

1. Make a graph to record your gains— it’ll be one of the most valuable PE tools you’ll ever have. Not keeping an accurate graph of your length-gains means wasted time, wasted effort and substandard progress, whilst Keeping an accurate graph will accelerate the rate at which you gain —a twofold benefit. The graph will allow you to see at-a-glance, both your current length and the rate at which you’re gaining (your “gain-rate”) with a view to achieving your “personal maximum-gain-rate” (PMGR), (i.e. the fastest rate at which you’re physically able to gain length).

N.B. Personal Maximum Gain-rate (PMGR) & Average Maximum Gain-rate (AMGR) are concepts essential to making meaningful gains. The amount of weight hung is absolutely secondary to Maximum Gain-rate. The concept of Maximum Gain-rate is key and should be irreversibly burned into the memory of every practitioner of penis enlargement from day one. If the PE community had a ‘prime directive’ it should be to explore and develop techniques that safely and efficiently increase average maximum gain-rate (AMGR). These techniques will help establish a baseline for comparison that will allow the individual to fine-tune his routine to truly optimise gains as well as helping to better establish the concept of the ‘easy’ and ‘hard’ gainer in actual quantifiable terms (i.e. in terms of average gain-rates).

The AMGR (average maximum gain-rate) is currently one eighth of an inch per month (1mm per week) which works out to 1.5 inches a year. If you can match that rate of gain then you’re basically ‘in the zone’ (at time of writing it’s still unclear whether the exercises necessary to achieve a gain-rate of one eighth of an inch per month will cause cessation of gains over the long-term).

At time of writing it’s theorised that it’s more or less impossible for the average person using existing techniques to achieve gains at a rate faster than one eighth of an inch per month, but hopefully with newer innovations such as Pounds [x] Minute[s] Theory P[x]M the double-fulcrum rice-sock, and xenolith’s IPR protocol , this average rate hopefully can be increased.

Note: The double-fulcrum rice-sock is very effective for achieving fatigue very quickly, however its long-term effect with regards continuous uninterrupted gains is unknown. Although the double-fulcrum rice-sock has the potential to dramatically reduce the amount of time spent in the hanger, it puts a lot of stress on the penis, and so may quite possibly have detrimental effects to continued long-term gains. For this reason it might be best saved for the later stages of length work. If you absolutely positively cannot hang for more than two or three sets a day, or if you just think it’s worth risking long-term cessation of length-gains to save time spent in the hanger (or if you have absolute faith in the deconditioning break) then by all means use the double-fulcrum rice-sock. If you can do so successfully it could very well save you a lot of time and effort. For those preferring a more conservative approach and with more time to hang, and especially those just starting out, it’s probable that hanging a greater number of sets over a longer period could produce an equal or faster gain-rate than could be achieved with the double-fulcrum rice-sock, but with a higher chance of continued gains over the long-term (although that’s something that needs to be tested more fully before any definite conclusions can be drawn). The efficacy of double-fulcrum rice-sock hanging as the sole method of enlargement is also as yet unproven.

The designer of the double-fulcrum rice-sock reported making gains of one and three eighth inches in bone-pressed erect length using the double-fulcrum rice-sock in conjunction with OTS hanging (OTS both with and without a fulcrum). He also made an additional one inch length-gain hanging BTC. This total gain of two and three eighth inches was made over a seventeen month period, which works out to a gain-rate of approximately 1.12 eighths of an inch per month— a rate approximately consistent with the current AMGR (average maximum gain-rate). The current AMGR is one eighth of an inch per month.

Although the double-fulcrum rice-sock may very well be an exercise that’s best saved for the later stages of PE (since it may very well cause cessation of gains over the long-term), if IPR protocol and the deconditioning break are ultimately proven to be effective, the double-fulcrum rice-sock may very well become the basic and most important tool (after the graph (see 2. below)) for achieving fast length-gains with a minimum of effort, due to the fact that it might allow you to reach your personal maximum gain-rate in a fraction of the time it would take with other forms of hanging.

The following links contain basic information on the double-fulcrum rice-sock (if you choose to go this route, please still make a graph to ensure you hang just the weight necessary to achieve your personal maximum gain-rate. Hanging the least weight you need to for the best gains you’re capable of achieving will help in avoiding injury and should maximise the potential for continued long-term progress (it should be noted that no penis-enlargement exercise is without risk, but that the method described here will go some way towards reducing the risks). (Maintaining a graph will also let you compare your results with other forum members so as to better monitor your own routine and help others to do the same. Also, please keep the forum updated with your results since all feedback will result in further fine-tuning for all individuals taking part, including those giving the feedback. The more feedback you invest in the method, the more it will benefit you personally.).

The double-fulcrum rice-sock links:

ThunderSS - BIB Has Spoken… A New Hanging Technique Is Born In 2006!
ThunderSS - BIB Has Spoken… A New Hanging Technique Is Born In 2006!
Mr. Fantastic - BIB Has Spoken… A New Hanging Technique Is Born In 2006!
Double Fulcrum With Modified Rice-Sock.JPG

Please Note: Hanging too heavy, or using an especially strenuous hanging technique (like the the double-fulcrum rice-sock technique) may hinder continued long-term gains due to conditioning of the penis and the possible effect it has on how the collagen in the tissue knits together to protect the penis’ structure from the increased stress— if I’m reliably informed, certain collagen configurations have the strength of tensile steel, which if they were to occur in the penis would totally destroy any chance whatsoever of making gains. This means that as well as increasing risk of injury — under certain circumstances — trying to hang unnecessarily heavy weights might entirely destroy all hope of making any meaningful length-gains.

2. Make your graph…

If you don’t have time to draw one up, you can download this one to print off:

Blank Graph.JPG

Discussion of the graph can be found here: The Graph Thread

You need a graph, it’ll be your most important PE tool— make it right now, even if you have to discontinue your PE routine to do so. It’s that important. You must record your gain-rate, so that you can adjust your routine to help you find and increase your personal maximum gain-rate (PMGR) to try and match the average maximum gain rate (AMGR). This is absolutely key to making the best gains you can in the time available. If you don’t make a graph then your efficiency will suffer and you’ll waste a lot of time and effort that could be better spent making meaningful gains.

You need to have a base set of figures with which to make comparisons, with both your own existing results and the results of others. This has a two-fold effect the value of which, if everybody follows the same set of basic guidelines, increases geometrically, and which translates to immediate and essential key benefits for every individual taking part: the reason for keeping an accurate graph is that with everyone using the same method to establish a baseline for comparison and as a starting-point for adaption and experimentation, the likelihood of increasing both the overall average maximum gain-rate as well as increasing your own personal maximum gain rate radically increases.

The following measuring technique will help you to take an accurate measurement in seconds and as often as you like. Taking several kinds of measurement will also give you the best possible chance of maintaining an accurate record

Note: It should be especially noted that a consistent and accurate erect bone-pressed measurement should always be maintained, since it’s generally considered to be the most important measurement and is the best measurement for performing retroactive comparisons with data collected before the introduction of the following measuring technique.

Measure and plot the following measurements on the graph:

(a.) Bone-pressed erect length (BPEL)
(b.) Non-bonepressed erect length (NBPEL)
(c.)”Lazy bone-pressed erect length” (LBPEL)
(d.) “Pinched Bone-pressed erect length” (PBPEL) or “Pinch-pulled length” (PPL) (also: “Pinch-pull” length, “Pinch-pulled” length)

Definitions of the Above Terms

Bone-pressed & Lazy Bone-pressed

Erections differ in quality— there are the ‘diamond-cutters’ that are “so hard a cat couldn’t scratch it” (often experienced through sustained edging whilst taking vasodilators) generally speaking these are the kinds of erection we measure for the erect bone-pressed measurement. There are also the average, regular, ‘every-day’ erections— the basic erection without any major effort to maximise engorgement (these are the ones that should be measure for the Lazy Bone-pressed measurement (of the four measurements the lazy bone-pressed and non-bonepressed measurements are the most likely to give inconsistent results, but should be taken anyway to both improve overall accuracy of the record and to help extrapolate the bone-pressed length in case of ‘ruler shyness’ due to negative stimulus response often experienced as a result of the discomfort of taking a bone-pressed measurement. It’s the general consensus that the erect bone-pressed measurement is the most important measurement to maintain accurate records of, but care should also be taken in maintaining an accurate record of the other three length measurements).


The standard non-bone-pressed measurement we’re all already familiar with— i.e. the length of the penis as the ruler is laid along the top of the penis and pressed to the fat-pad (but not pressed in to the fat pad as would be done if taking a bone-pressed measurement)

Pinched Bone-pressed

These are taken when flaccid, by stretching the penis as far as you can possibly stretch it with forefinger and thumb— the forefinger on the frenulum and the thumb on the top of the glans, pinching and stretching. Pinching hard enough to stretch the penis as far as it can be stretched (try to avoid causing pain, as this will lead to ‘ruler shyness’). The pressure exerted by the fingers when pinch-pulling will cause a slight ‘ballooning’ at the tip of the penis— measure right up to this tip so as to be consistent with all of your measurements (it’s useful to note that certain exercises including pumping and hanging with a clamp-hanger may temporarily increase the ‘ballooning’ effect due to swelling, so care should be taken to maintain the accuracy of the measurement).

Plot all of the above measurements on your graph at least once a month (once every two weeks if possible) so that you have a good visual record of your gains, and so that you can forecast how the measurements will change in relation to each other (i.e. to what extent the lines on the graph will diverge over time). This will help you to more accurately extrapolate bone-pressed length from a flaccid, pinch-pulled measurement so that you can get a more or less accurate reading any time of the day or night without having to go through the whole erect bone-pressed measuring process.

Note: It’s important to plot all these points at least once a month, as the discomfort of taking bone-pressed measurements can cause a negative stimulus-response, which can eventually cause you to become “ruler shy” (i.e. every time you reach for the ruler the erection subsides). If you plot all of the above measurements on your graph you’ll eventually be able to estimate your bone-pressed erect length (BPEL) through extrapolation based on the other measurements (handy when you reach the point where you loose wood every time you look at a ruler).

3. Depending on the time you can spare to hang, adjust your “time-to-weight-ratio” so that by the end of your session (i.e. the end of the day’s hanging), you’ve reached a level of fatigue where you wouldn’t be able to hang any longer even if you wanted to. What this does is increase the amount of time you spend under traction, maximising the time over which elastic/plastic deformation and ‘distraction histogenesis’ (thanks to ModestoMan for this term) can occur, while at the same time giving you the kind of fatigue you’d expect from fewer sets at a heavier weight (this way you ‘hedge your bets’ with regards mitosis, micro-tears, elastic/plastic deformation etc.).

Note: The amount of time available to hang and the amount of weight needed to make meaningful gains will vary from person to person, but regardless of how much time you have available to hang, it’s still vitally important to follow the steps described here, so that you only hang as much weight as you need to to achieve your personal maximum gain-rate with a minimum of risk of injury, and so that you can more accurately compare your results with others so as to fine-tune your routine.

4. Try to adjust the weight so that by the end of each twenty minute set you’ve reached a level of fatigue where you couldn’t hang any longer even if you didn’t have to remove the hanger to restore blood-flow (depending on the time you have available you may need to increase weight during the set to achieve this). Doing so should allow you to hang longer and should allow you to take advantage of elastic/plastic deformation, mitosis etc. whilst still experiencing the fatigue associated with faster gains (if you only have time to hang for a very few sets (say three at most, maybe four) then maybe opt for a heavier weight, focusing just on achieving a good level of fatigue (but still make sure to maintain your graph and keep a good record of your measurements, so that you can work out your personal maximum-gain-rate (PMGR), fine-tune your routine through comparison with others, and avoid both early cessation of gains and the higher risk of injury associated with hanging heavier weights)).

Physiological Indicators

While it’s possible to hang low weights with little discomfort for a good part of each set, it seems that to experience faster gains it’s necessary to experience a certain amount of fatigue during each PE session. It’s arguable that due to a lack of reliable data, the ‘fatigue-to-growth’ ratio can, as yet, to a certain extent be considered quite largely unexplored, although very heavy fatigue (associated with hanging very heavy weights) could be considered an indication that gains will eventually slow due to ‘conditioning’ of the penis.

While it’s been suggested that a strong erection following the day’s PE session is an indication that the penis hasn’t been ‘over-trained’ (the theory being that over-training can hinder growth) I’ve personally experienced some of my fastest gains during periods where I’ve been — if you pardon the metaphor — “as limp as a noodle” at the end of the day’s PE.

It’s been suggested by ModestoMan that gains might be generated at a possible weak-spot below the Pubic Symphysis —I’ve experienced, and am experiencing, migration of the dorsal vein, which might go some way towards supporting that theory. The first two branches of my dorsal vein have, over time, emerged from the fat-pad and continue to advance along my shaft at a rate consistent with the rate at which I’m making length-gains. A brief discussion of this, along with a few diagrams to illustrate, can be found here:

Mr. Fantastic - Rethinking PE-Theory
Mr. Fantastic - Rethinking PE-Theory
Mr. Fantastic - Rethinking PE-Theory
Migrating Veins.JPG

Important Questions Suggested by the Perspective at the Heart of the Above Method (Things That Need to Be Considered / Questions That Need Answers)

Are the deconditioning break and xenolith’s IPR Protocol proven and reliable / can xenolith’s IPR Protocol and the deconditioning break be proven? (Answering this question will let us know whether techniques that are suspected to cause plateaus may or may not have to be avoided by those seeking long-term consistent and continued gains. It may also mean that the double-fulcrum rice-sock can be used by everybody regardless of how far they still have to go in achieving their desired length).

AMGR (Average Maximum Gain-rate (the average maximum gain-rate amongst all practitioners of penis enlargement)) — is the current AMGR accurate? Should it be lower? Should it be higher? How can it be improved upon? The current AMGR is one eighth of an inch per month (1mm per week / 1.5 inches per year). Will the exercises necessary for achieving such a high gain-rate be strenuous enough to cause eventual cessation of gains (i.e. a plateau). If so (and depending on whether the deconditioning break and IPR Protocol are reliable) should the time spent taking breaks to combat decreasing gains be included in the formula for calculating AMGR? Should AMGR be calculated as average growth-rate over a period of one month, three months, six months, a year etc.? Should their be a separate ‘annual average maximum gain-rate’?

Should there be a separate AMGR for ‘easy’ and ‘hard’ gainers? (Unless the method described here is able to produce similar gains for everybody, regardless of whether they think of themselves as ‘easy’ or ‘hard’ gainers, I personally think there should be, with the development of two schools of PE for the ‘easy’ and ‘hard’ gainer, maybe even extending to separate forums (fora).)

Is the double-fulcrum rice-sock effective as a sole method for length-gains? Can it produce length-gains of up to one eighth of an inch without additional length exercises? (If the answer to this question is yes (and if IPR protocol and the deconditioning break are proven to be reliable) use of the double-fulcrum rice-sock should dramatically cut down the time anyone need hang in attempting to achieve the average maximum gain-rate(AMGR)).

How can Pounds [x] Minute[s] Theory P[x]M be used to best effect?

Is there a correlation between growth and fatigue? How much of a correlation is there between growth and fatigue?

Establishing answers to these questions should go a long way both towards increasing the AMGR (average maximum gain-rate) and towards eliminating the plateau as an obstacle to continued gains. As such it’s my opinion that the subject of PE would benefit greatly from the exploration of the above topics.

A Final Note

I’ve almost reached my length goal and already have all the information I need to achieve my desired length— I’ve posted the above method with a view to helping others, so as to offer a reciprocal contribution to the PE community to which I’d like to extend my sincerest thanks for all of the information, help and advice that it’s provided to me. I’ve spent a lot of time on this thread and it represents, and is the result of, some of my best thinking on the topic, as well as being the best advice I could give to anybody interested in making length-gains through hanging (or indeed other methods to which the basic underlying principles can be applied). This being the case (while encouraging discussion, comment and criticism) it would be very much appreciated if those posting in response to the above would take the time to support their comments with explanations, examples, or at the very least descriptions of the reasons for their intuitions regarding the information contained. Thanks.

Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-16-2006 at .

Mr.Fantastic, this is a great post with a lot of useful information!

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Amazing post, Mr. Fantastic! I’m going to study this one for a while.

Enter your measurements in the PE Database.

Thanks guys— I’m hoping it should go some way towards getting all the newbies (and everyone else for that matter) ‘on the same page’ so-to-speak, and hopefully get everyone hanging sensibly for the best results they’re able to achieve.

Discussions, comments, criticisms etc. are welcome :up: (don’t take the last paragraph of the post too seriously ;) )

Mr. F:

You wrote elsewhere that you hang approximately 8 hours per day, and that you do not take weekends off. This is a huge commitment!

Did you ever experiment with hanging less? If so, how did your gains change?

Enter your measurements in the PE Database.

Thanks mr. Fantastic. I am printing this stuff which I was awaiting for a while. I have 30 min of hang time ahead so I can study that in details

Best regards ttt

Later - ttt

Very good and interesting post with a lot of material to ponder about. Thank you for mentioning my Pound Per Minute theory (PPM) and define it a new innovation.

It’s nice to see some one read and think about your your posts.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
You wrote elsewhere that you hang approximately 8 hours per day, and that you do not take weekends off. This is a huge commitment!


Generally speaking I only take a day off if I really have to because cumulative fatigue prevents me from hanging longer than I want to. Originally every five days I’d reach a point where I couldn’t hang more than three sets in a day because of the level of fatigue I’d reached, but now it’s closer to every eight to nine days, at which point I can only hang about eight sets— in those circumstances I take a day off so as to bring my daily number of sets back up to twelve.

It’s possible that it might be more advantageous for me to continue hanging just the eight sets at that increased level of fatigue, but I like to hang longer to take advantage of the possible benefits associated with the all-day-stretch. Plus, I’d imagine that that eight set figure would probably continue to diminish, leading (possibly, although not necessarily definitely) to diminished gains. Also, hanging shorter sets at a higher level of fatigue (even if that higher level of fatigue is achieved with lower weights) could be detrimental to continued long-term gains (i.e. it might lead to a plateau).

For people who like hanging for maximum fatigue over a smaller number of sets it might be worth hanging a low weight for many sets per day until this higher level of fatigue is reached, at which point they might be able to stick with the lower weight and (providing they don’t miss a day) still maintain high fatigue over the fewer sets (but with a lower weight). Having said that, it could very well be higher levels of fatigue that cause cessation of gains rather than a ‘specific physiological reaction’ to a higher weight, which might mean they’d be just as likely to reach a plateau using lower weights for fewer sets at higher levels of fatigue as they would be using higher weights for fewer sets. I think exploration of this area of the topic (with a view to increasing/achieving maximum gain-rate with less effort/risk) would also be very valuable to the community as a whole.

With regard the specifics of my routine— it generally takes me more or less all day to hang my twelve sets because I’m often able to hang a little longer than twenty minutes in each set, plus sticking strictly to a ten-minute rest-period between sets can be a real hassle when you’re hanging more or less all day every day. I try and stick to the ten minute break (so as to get my twelve sets done as quickly as possible) but I often take breaks of fifteen to twenty minutes, and sometimes a half hour. Although theoretically it’s possible to hang twelve sets in six hours, in practice (for me at least) it’s not always that practical.

(Also— it’s probably notable that due to both the fact that I’m now an experienced hanger, and to the fact that I don’t have to tighten the hanger more than I would need to to hang 3kg, towards the beginning of my routine I can often hang longer sets (often up to an hour for the first set) basically because circulation is less of an issue (so a lot of the longer breaks I take are further offset by increased time in the hanger per set.))

To a certain extent I’m trying to model Bib’s routine, but an adapted form —if I’m reliably informed, Bib stated that he never experienced discomfort from hanging, which might very well suggest he didn’t aim for high levels of fatigue, but rather aimed primarily for time in the hanger, which is another reason why I think it’s unnecessary to try and condition your penis so as to be able to hang heavy enough to match Bib’s higher weights, as doing so is essentially a totally different technique. A technique the core logic of which is arguably flawed (especially if attempted as a means of duplicating Bib’s gain-rate)

For Bib to have experienced no discomfort over such a high number of sets, the kind of weight increases that he would have had to have made would have been (relative to what his physiology could support) very slight indeed. The very high weights he reached, rather than being an indication of how heavy he had to hang to make continued gains are an indication of how consistently and for how long he had to hang to achieve his gain-rate.

As for my motivation. Yes it is a huge commitment, made easier because I haven’t had to make too many sacrifices to be able to commit myself to it fully (if anything — although the discomfort of hanging isn’t all that great — it enhances my life (it’s a discipline, and it gives me a positive outlook as well as engendering habitually positive ways of thinking, which I’ve been working on for quite a few years now (I used to have internal dialogue like you wouldn’t believe)).

Due to certain personal issues which I’ve touched on elsewhere (but which are outside of the scope of this thread), I have the time to hang all day every day, but I don’t take it for granted (I know it’s not going to be this way forever) so my attitude towards my length-gains is “I’ll focus on it totally, and I’ll do it until it’s done”. It means I literally have almost no time for anything else other than the gym— everything else in my life has basically been de-prioritised, even tidying my living space. These day it’s a little easier, but when I first got my new level of motivation (from drawing up my graph) it was a race to hang as many sets as I possibly could before I had to turn in for the night. Now that I’ve established my personal maximum gain-rate and the weights and sets I need to achieve it, things have become a lot easier.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Did you ever experiment with hanging less? If so, how did your gains change?

Less weight or less time?

Less weight— yes, although the only time I’ve dropped weight was in the early days when I was trying to increase weight way too quickly and ended up not being able to hang for more than two or three sets and having to skip days because of the trauma/fatigue I’d experienced as a result. Needless to say I wasn’t hitting my PMGR (personal maximum gain rate) by doing that.

Less time— yes, but not since having established my PMGR and the weight & time/sets I’ve needed to hang to achieve it. I’m not sure how many sets I could cut from my routine and still achieve the same gain-rate. I’m not entirely convinced I could cut down to less than ten and still maintain my PMGR at the weight I hang (theoretically I could of course increase my weight but I think that by doing so I’d probably loose the benefits associated with the all-day-stretch).

Having said that, the principles outlined in the first post of this thread should be universally applicable for increased gains regardless of individual physiology or time available to hang.

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Thanks mr. Fantastic. I am printing this stuff which I was awaiting for a while. I have 30 min of hang time ahead so I can study that in details

I very much hope it helps. My apologies if the English is a little complicated.

Originally Posted by buby
Very good and interesting post with a lot of material to ponder about. Thank you for mentioning my Pound Per Minute theory (PPM) and define it a new innovation.

buby— hi…

Thanks for the compliment.

I think the idea you’ve put forward is very valuable, especially for fine-tuning a routine. I think it would totally compliment the theories and suggestions I’ve put forward in this thread with regards the creation of the most efficient routine possible for each of us. I think it’s a great idea that will definitely benefit the community if and when explored. :up:

Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-18-2006 at .

Mr. F,

I’ve been reading this thread in a little more detail, and you can tell you put a lot of time and effort into writing this. Thank you! Overtime, I’m sure it will catch on.

I have a question myself:
How did you find the current AMGR? I did a thread search and didn’t find much.

Best regards,

TGC Theory | Who Says The Penis Isn't a Muscle?

"To leave the world a better place, to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived is to succeed." - Emerson

Originally Posted by remek
I’ve been reading this thread in a little more detail, and you can tell you put a lot of time and effort into writing this. Thank you! Overtime, I’m sure it will catch on.

Thanks remek, I did spend a lot of time on it. It’s a simple idea but one with many many implications as to what’s possible and as to what could/should be explored.

Originally Posted by remek
I have a question myself:
How did you find the current AMGR? I did a thread search and didn’t find much.

To be perfectly honest with you “average maximum gain rate” is kind of an oxymoron or ‘contradiction in terms’ and has a kind of double meaning.

‘Average maximum gain’ rate could be either the highest rate of gain any individual could reasonably expect, or it could mean the average rate of gain amongst all practitioners of PE.

The way in which I’ve used it above is in the former sense, i.e. the highest rate of gain the average individual could reasonably expect.

The figure is one that I’d hoped would be discussed more fully in light of the information in the first post of this thread.

I don’t have references to specific figures (other than those offered by the ADS manufacturers (which seem to correlate)), but rather it’s just a figure that seems right in light of all the results I’ve seen and the reading I’ve done at thundersplace. Plus it’s also the rate I’m achieving by working at hanging as hard as can reasonably be expected.

Although I do think the figure is correct, I’m offering it first and foremost as an example for discussion. It’s my belief that if everybody were to use the information in the first post of this thread as a basis and/or starting-point for their routine, that most of them may very well subsequently find themselves gaining at close to, or as fast a rate as, one eighth of an inch per month (1mm per week), and if not that exact rate, at least faster than they’ve previously been gaining. Establishing a more accurate AMGR is half of the battle.

There may not yet exist enough reliable data to determine the actual current AMGR, but unless we at least start to try to define it we may never establish a figure. To the best of my knowledge the current figure (or as close to as I’m personally able to estimate it) is one eight of an inch per month (1mm per week). Other people might have other ideas on the subject. If so they absolutely definately should post to this thread :up:

I was hoping that the thread would stimulate more of a discussion, but I think the last paragraph in the first post might have killed the response (I’m beginning to regret having included it).

Ultimately, if all it does is influence the way people approach the subject then I guess I’ve been successful (I truly believe in the information/method detailed).

Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-22-2006 at .

Mr. F,

This post is very well put together. I don’t think your last paragraph has had an impact on further discussion, least I don’t see it. Congrats on an excellent post and sucess with your gains.



I think this needs bumping, FANTASTIC THREAD. I’m going to implement this now even though I’m not hanging as yet.

Nov '08: 6.5" BPEL X 4.3" MSEG / 4.83" Base Girth.... 4.565" AVG EG Based on 2 measurements

Nov '09: 7.0" BPEL (6.3" NBPEL) X 4.5" MSEG / 4.9" Base Girth.... 4.59" AVG EG Based on 3 measurements ~~~~~~~~~ Erect gains to date 1.55" X .4"

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Far too much work put into this for me to let it go to waste, unless I’m missing something.

Nov '08: 6.5" BPEL X 4.3" MSEG / 4.83" Base Girth.... 4.565" AVG EG Based on 2 measurements

Nov '09: 7.0" BPEL (6.3" NBPEL) X 4.5" MSEG / 4.9" Base Girth.... 4.59" AVG EG Based on 3 measurements ~~~~~~~~~ Erect gains to date 1.55" X .4"

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Hi fellow hangers,

This thread inspired me to make a Google spreadsheet for tracking my own hanging progress. I decided to post an image here with some explanation of the formulae to see if anyone thinks it might help them. If there’s a good response I’ll post a link so others can make a copy of the spreadsheet template.


* Dates - Put your start date in the first cell with `=DATE(year, month, day)`. Subsequent weeks can be calculated for you with `=B2+7` (Should be the Monday of each week)
* Weeks - The week number of your hanging career (e.g. 1, 2, 3, 4)
* Max Pounds - Put your weekly max weight in this row (e.g. 2.5) in pounds
* Minutes - Put your weekly max set time in this row (e.g. 20) in minutes
* Max Sets - Put your weekly max sets in this row
* Monday - How many sets you’ve hung this day
* Tuesday - (Same)
* Wednesday - (Same)
* Thursday - (Same)
* Friday - (Same)
* Saturday - (Same)
* Sunday - (Same)
* Goal Sets - Put your target number of sets to hang each week here. 30 sets x 20 minutes is 10 hours (the recommended hang time per week)
* Sets Hung - The total sets you’ve hung each week are summed here with `=SUM(B7:B13)`
* Sets Remaining - The sets remaining to be hung are calculated here with `=B14 - B15`
* Hours Hung - The total number of hours spent hanging each week are calculated here with `=(B15 * B5) / 60`
* BPFSL - Put your weekly BPFSL here

As you make gains you can also add a row for your own growth rate! Thoughts?

Currently 6/13/2017: 6.25" BPFL, 5.5" Girth

Started 1/1/2004: 5" BPFL, 5" Girth

Interesting thread. It’s a shame this didn’t spark more discussion.

What is the general consensus these days for Average Maximum Gain-Rate (AMGR) from hanging?

1/8” per month over an extended period of time seems like quite a lofty goal for post-newbie gains.

Start 11/30/17: 6” BPEL, 4.25" MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 1/29/20: 7" BPEL, 4.75" MSEG - My Progress Photos

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