Pain/soreness question from Bib

Bib wrote:

Questions for the board:

How sore are you after a workout? Describe.

How long after a typical workout are you sore?

What areas are sore? Skin, shaft, ligs (top, sides), internally.

Have you experienced an acute pain from PE? Describe.

Ever a chronic pain or extreme soreness after PE?

Not really ever sore after a workout, more like a slight ache, that comes and goes. It is there but more noticeable some times and not so much at other times. I guess it just depends on what I am doing at the moment.

The “soreness” seems to start two to three hours after a good workout and last through the next day, if it is an off day, gradually getting less and less as time goes by.

It is most often an internal feeling with slight discomfort on the sides of the shaft near the base.

Never had any acute pain other than a few small water blisters when I first started.

Also, I have never really done a lot of intense stretching exercises either. Usually just as a warmup before starting with other exercises.

I am not extremely sore after a workout. I have at times, felt a soreness in lig area at the penis/body junction some hours after hanging. Surprises me somewhat because I did not really think there were many nerves within the lig. Have wondered if some of that was due to a type of collateral damage of other tissues. Does pulling/stretching ligs and shaft have any effect on the fascia tissue which covers much of the lower abdominal area? Same with tunica..I think my tunica is sore, but I’m not sure if it’s actually the tunica or the nerves around it. Most of this is “ghost-like” pain or discomfort, rather dull and general and is hard to really pin point. Unlike a splinter or bruise which usually has a very specfic pain center/hot button. Pain is usually short lasting (less than 24 hours), and like said, not always present. Piss great on hanging whereas jelqing and more intense blood moving ex.’s often resuted in a weaker stream with occasional burning. I assume that was due to internal swell and irritation. Ureathra is fine now. Only acute pain ever felt was from a skin pinch/bad wrap while hanging or sliding a fistfull of blood toward the glans at an unkind velocity while jelqing in the past..behaviors which are generally ceased or corrected shortly after occurance. groa

I do not suffer from soreness after sessions (too low a weight perhaps), but when placing the hanger on for the 2nd or third sessions, I feel minor discomfort whilst tightening. Rapidly disappears.

A while back I suffered from short sharp stabbing pains, not too intense, and I was a little worried that I was doing damage to the ureathra. I tried to jelq but my penis was too sore to squeeze more than moderately, although I could continue hanging. After the forced break, all came back to normal.

All I feel now is an itch from time to time, maybe through stetched skin becoming a little dry. Nothing I don’t suppose a good cream couldn’t fix.

groa,

I am not sure either where the pain or soreness originates. However, just ask anyone who has ever had a torn ACL, or any other ligament tendon about the pain and they will probably tell you it is the worst they ever had. Many just pass out.

Ligs and tendons themselves do not have many nerve endings within. But something in the surrounding tissues surely gives the hints.

Bigger

Last two days I’ve been feeling pain in a strange and different area. Basically, a dull, general pain around the base of the penis up a few inches on the abdomen. Not “ghost-like” this time, but quite constant. Almost like the day after a hellacious ab work-out, but only lower than that ever hits. I can feel it most when I stretch (arched back) and move my pelvis forward. My hanging sessions have all been standing/down and this is the area where I do feel the “pull”. I this normal after heavy concentration work? I realize there are not really “side ligs” in an actual anatomical sense, but the specifics of where the ligs attach on the body end is vague to me. There is a membrane (possibly several) which envelope(s) the lower abdomen called a fascia, I believe. Does this sometimes feel the stretch? The Fundiform I can feel (I think) as running straight up from the penile base, but the lig itself doesn’t feel sore. Perhaps just the attachements? Are they pulling on the fascia? If I recall correctly, alot of this stuff is attached at different points and tissues. Maybe it’s Johnson starting to budge a bit…I didn’t expect that without discomfort, but not certain this is the typical discomfort. I plan on scrounging about the web for some hints on the specific anatomy of lig related stuff Would really appreciate anyone who has hung for a while and experienced this (or not) to reply. Not really sure if this is good or I’m heading down a dark, misty path to doom here. Hung alot of 15’s and 20’s last two days, but just did two sets of 10 thus far today. Probably do another two sets of 10 when I’m done typing. Tried 15 and felt fine, but honestly was a bit nervous about it and just stuck with 10. On the lighter side…silver thera kicks! Actually hung those 10’s with a soft head and recirc was nothin’. Much lower in hanger with it, and truly understand the design now. Thanx. groa

I realized during further sets that I don’t feel this nearly as much (if at all) while hanging. Also, when trying to feel this while manually pulling on my dick, same effect…not as much if any dull pain in the surrounding region. Kinda like if one falls asleep in a silly position and then tries to straigthen out to a more normal position, it sucks and it’s uncomfortable. Strange, but in a way my cock is more comfortable (at least in relation to the surrounding tissue) when in the hang or pull down position. All else is just fine as far as erectile ability, pissabilty (see, U4B, you just invent words:) , etc. Again, is this commonplace occurance? groa

groa,

I had this post finished early in the afternoon, and I lost my line. Foul language. “Cursing is the linguistic crutch of the illiterate; motherfucker.”

>Basically, a dull, general pain around the base of the penis up a few inches on the abdomen. <

That is esentially how I would describe it. Is it the worked-out feeling?

>The Fundiform I can feel (I think) as running straight up from the penile base, but the lig itself doesn’t feel sore. <

I could never differentiate between the lig bundles or pinpoint any area where the soreness was coming from. I know I could lightly pinch the ligs and I could feel the soreness (from work) at that site.

>Not really sure if this is good or I’m heading down a dark, misty path to doom here.<

That is the same path I traveled for a long time. You are the only one who truly knows what you are feeling, no matter how well you describe it. It is all your call.

I do know that throughout my PE career, it was obvious when I had a bad pain. So I would immediately stop. The good discomfort became very welcome. I actually liked it. A lot. Too much. The thing which really worried me after a while was numbness. You can’t feel it. Ha. Hopefully with the Bib, it is a moot point. But watch it.

You will have this trepidation for a while longer. Then, as you realize it will not come out by the root, you will stack set on set of your max weight. IMO, the real good work comes when you have that sore feeling. Stressing the already stressed tissues. But you must have confidence first.

With increased work, you may have some erection difficulty. Remember, I did not get to hang very long with the finished Bib. My hours were with a lesser hanger. You may not have any difficulty at all.

Also, I had days where, when not hanging, it was sore, and when hanging it felt great. I have no explanation.

Good luck,

Bigger

S’far, s’good on this end of things. Went back to 15’s and probably try 20 or two a short time from now. Funny, in the last few days this hobby approach has turned more toward a serious body modification mindset. Guess that’s really what it is though…ain’t likely to be comfy or easy in the process either. Searched about the EZ’s on pain/hanging posts and much to my surprise, didn’t really find much like what I describe. Anyway, no numbness or what I percieve to be “bad” pain. Don’t intend to change angles anytime soon, but any insight for future reference on hanging straight-out and discomfort associated with it over time might be useful. Seems there are some pretty significant limiting factors in that angle. Mainly, as a result of PC flex and the tendency of that to “pull in” penis. groa

groa,

Are you working on lowering the angle, heading toward BTC?

Bigger

I have hung BTC in the past, mostly for experimental purposes to see if I could do it. Have recently tried this, but run into a problem. The skin above my dick/lower abdominal region seems to take most of the weight. Leg position plays a role in this for me, but no matter which way I’ve tried I still get that skin pull. Takes alot off of the penis and ligs. Even tried a standing version with a pulley behind me…this would have been funny to witness, but for a participant (me) it was damn scary. Fortunatley, quick reflexes=no injuries in times like that. I intend to mess with some method of BTC in the near future, but really I’m at a loss for how to do this without skin pull or to minimize ball crushing positions. I gather from the direction you imply in question that straight-out hanging is not conducive to much gain. Wouldn’t mind any ideas on the positioning of body on the BTC stuff. I’ve read some about sitting in chairs, but the closest to succesfully doing this was actually in a bench with seat tilted up and a pulley somewhat lower than the horizontal. Feet where somewhat on bar of smith machine…a bit to elaborate for frequent hangs. Again, it’s not really the penis or ligs and I can work around my nuts, but the lower ab skin that’s the problem. I can see the value of this type of angle and leverage, but the technique is a bitch. groa

groa,

>The skin above my dick/lower abdominal region seems to take most of the weight. Leg position plays a role in this for me, but no matter which way I’ve tried I still get that skin pull. Takes alot off of the penis and ligs. <

This is correct. But, you cannot do it all at one time. You have to work on lowering the angle. The good news is, it does not take long to stretch the skin and allow the stress on the shaft and ligs.

There are two methods of doing this and you need both.

First, you have to rig a chair that you can use to hang in. It needs to be high. Most adjustable office chairs are probably good. Then if the seat is not long enough to allow for the shaft not to bend, you have to put on an extension.

I used a piece of 4 inch PVC with a slice cut out of it. Tied it onto the front of the seat. Then, I put a piece of 3 inch PVC inside the four inch piece. Perfect. But I have a long seat, executive type chair. If your seat is very short, you could cut a piece of plywood and tie it in the seat. Whatever, when sitting up straight in the chair, the front edge of the seat should be at the back of your knee. Then, sit on a pillow.

So now, you can hang over the front edge of the chair. The skids of the hanger are on the seat, and the strap goes over the edge to the weights. If you are sitting up straight, this is a ‘straight out’ pull.

Now, you have to slide down in the seat, allowing the skids to get closer to the edge. At some point, you feel the slight burning sensation. That is the skin stretch. Each day, you slide down a little further. Then, one day, the skids go over the edge somewhat. Then, later, the skids are just resting against the front edge of the seat or extension. Finally, your penis is BTC.

Along with this, you have to vary the attachment point by about an inch. If you normally have the hanger one inch behind the head, you work on getting it 1.5-2 inches behind the head. You do this as you are working on sliding further down in the chair.

The final step is when you are BTC with the attachment 1.5-2 inches behind the head, and little or no skin stretch.

Do not worry, during this process, you will also be working on the ligs. They have to give also, along with the skin. Of course, during this time you will be going up in max weight as needed. Going down when fatigued.

This is really where the stretch marks come into play. You will get them. But, mine went away.

It works.

I usually just went between my balls. No problem. Later, after my scrotum was stretched, I would put them to the side. Did not really like that a whole lot.

Any other questions, just ask. You write good explicit questions that tend to open my thought process, and help me put it into words.

Bigger

Forgot.

>I gather from the direction you imply in question that straight-out hanging is not conducive to much gain.<

Not at all. I think I gained a substantial amount from hanging straight-out. IMO, it is simply easier to do one thing at a time. Divide and conquer. Tear a phone book in half one page at a time.

I do think stretching the ligs first with BTC makes it easier to pull out penis with the straight out hang. Also, it is much more effective for stretching the shaft.

Bigger

I’m definately going to revisit this technique, though I’m thinking of a hinged board with some sort of ajustment/stoppage underneath to set the angle. I have mostly soft couch-like furniture. Long bench seats (I’m tall) but the fabric/leather is much to grippy to lay the skids on. Figure I can sit on a board and have plenty of hinges/odds and ends around here to work with. Hoping this will actually stress the ligs more specifically. After some research and viewing one of Thunder’s links, it seems to me as if most of the stress I’ve been working with has fallen more on the lower portions of the rectus abdominous muscles. From what I can tell, the fundiform (depending on the diagram) has some interelatedness to this tissue and associated membranes. Perhaps going to a more extreme angle (beyond straight dowm) will change the leverage/pull direction and stress the lig(s) more? In an speculative way, I can see the potential for me. Even when hanging straight downand standing, the ligs tend to “buckle” the lower ab stuff out under weight. Might also help to change the body position (as in sitting) so this is less likely as a result of “internal gravity”, for lack of a better term. Not sure the above is accurate or real, but I’ll find out in the next few days. Not sure if the resulting discomfort I get from straight down work is bad, but also not sure if its really conducive to anything along the lines of PE. Just really seems like it’s in the wrong place. The best silly analogy I can give this is like pulling on a hanging rope, next to a wall (rope=lig, wall=body, person pulling=20lbs) but then taking three steps out from the wall while pulling. I’d like to try to pull straight down along the wall. I feel I’m unnecessarily disturbing/yanking-up tissue as a result of pulling down AND out on the lig. Down from position and weight, out due to pull-bulge effect on the lowest portion of rectus muscle. I’m not sure if that makes a damn bit of sense, anatomically or otherwise, but I’m going with BTC one way or another. groa Edit…Just for diagnostic curiousity, when the ligs are being hit properly, is slight pain or discomfort felt when pushing down on an erection? I feel absolutely no pain or discomfort whatsoever when moving an erection from side to side, up or down, or even pulling out on it. I’m pretty convinced all this hanging down while standing has not really effected the targeted area (ligs) in any meaningful way.

Bib or anyone else that can elucidate,

i don’t have a handle on this whole phenomenon below. i’ve read it described in other posts as well, but i’m just not sure what is to be avoided or accomplished here.

“First, you have to rig a chair that you can use to hang in. It needs to be high. Most adjustable office chairs are probably good. Then if the seat is not long enough to allow for the shaft not to bend, you have to put on an extension. “

thank you,
BeBop