Questions for Bib or vet hangers

I have been hanging BTC using the Bib stater for about 1 yr and have gained about 1/2” in erect lenght but after reading Bib’s LOT theory it appears I should have been hanging SO or OTS. I have a LOT of 7:00 and have a few questions, what should one expect to feel on the member while hanging SO or OTS? should the hanger be attached in the same location as when hanging BTC (1” or so behind the gland) and how much total time a week should one spend hanging. It looks like if I had been hanging SO or OTS I may have made better progress…..

I would definitely not go so far as to call myself a vet hanger, but I’ll still try to answer your questions. Hanger attachment will be the same for hanging SO or OTS as for hanging BTC. As far as the feeling, I can only give you my own accounts and can’t really speak for anyone else when I say this, but I can feel it mostly in the septum and the actual internal anchor points near the bulb of the penis. I feel the same type of feeling all throughout the shaft as well, but it is much less pronounced. As for the amount of time, most vet hangers recommend you try to dedicate at least 10 hours per week to hanging. This is just a general rule of thumb, some may gain with less time dedicated to hanging, and conversely, some men may have to dedicate more time to hanging in order to make gains. Most hangers will tell you it is best to work on the time side of your equation by working up to the amount of time per day you have to dedicate to hanging, then increase the amount of weight over time. Personally, I wouldn’t increase weight unless I am not seeing results or I don’t feel like I’m getting any work done at the weight I am currently using … for instance, when it takes a LONG time to reach fatigue with that weight whereas before, when you first started using that weight, it did not take near as much time to reach fatigue. Hope this helps bro.

Thanks for the info Bro….
I did 4 20 min sets SO @ 9 lbs today and only really felt some pulling/burning at the base of my member, also the burning was concentrated on my left side only. Does this mean something? did no feel anything on the shaft. Also did not get the fatigue thing going. Perhaps more weight and more time would do the trick….When I was hanging BTC I would always get the burning thing through out the entire shaft but usually was on one side as well…..

Anymore advise you or anyone else has would be appriciated

Slowgainer-
Hi. I’m curious to know of your experience with fatigue. You say you’ve done a lot of BTC. Have you experiencd lig fatigue and been able to use it to your advantage?
I should add that my experience with achieving fatigue SO has been different than with BTC - both in how long it takes to achieve and the physical sensation it creates.

Congratulations on your gains!
—-Cap

Captnhook…

I did do alot of BTC hanging and only gained 1/2 in erect lenght. I was hanging 12 - 15lbs 4-5 20 Min sets. I would always get the burning sensation through out the length of my shaft and it would change from one side to the other. After the third set I would start to get that fatguie feel meaning I would feel my member sore and tired like, It would get this so much that by the 4th or 5th set I could not take 12lbs and would go down to 7-9lbs. When I would feel that burning sensation I knew it was doing good….

So tell me what you feel when you hang SO or OTS? With a LOT of 7:00 I need to hang SO or OTS and I want to make sure that I feel what I am suppose to …. Also how much time did it take you to achieve fatguie? and at what weight? compared to BTC

Slowg,

>I did 4 20 min sets SO @ 9 lbs today and only really felt some pulling/burning at the base of my member, also the burning was concentrated on my left side only. Does this mean something? did no feel anything on the shaft. Also did not get the fatigue thing going. Perhaps more weight and more time would do the trick….When I was hanging BTC I would always get the burning thing through out the entire shaft but usually was on one side as well….. <

Not many guys have units that are binomially symetrical. Most have strong areas and weak areas. It was not odd for me to have stress related feelings in one area or another. I thought of it as deformation of the next limitng factors.

Bigger

Bigger,

thanks for the info…As I stated in my first post, when I was hanging BTC I would feel that burning sensation in my lig but now that i am hanging SO and or OTS due to low LOT at 7:00 what exactly should I be feeling ? I do not get that burning sensation or anything else, am I doing something wrong?

I am hanging 4 sets of 9-12 lbs….

Slowg,

>now that i am hanging SO and or OTS due to low LOT at 7:00 what exactly should I be feeling ? I do not get that burning sensation or anything else, am I doing something wrong? I am hanging 4 sets of 9-12 lbs<

You are probably not doing anything wrong. When you were hanging BTC, the burning sensation could have been skin stretch.

The higher angles are a different cup of tea from the lower angles. For many guys, if not most, it requires more stress to fatigue the tunica than the ligs. Tunica fatigue can be a general or specific shaft soreness, and can extend all the way into the body behind the balls. For me, it never was as intense or acute as lig fatigue. Also, I seemed to recover quicker from tunica stress.

Bigger

Bib,

I kind of addressed this in another thread, but I’ll put it here as a direct question as well:

Even if one feels good lig pull (skin above the hanger can easily be pinched with fingers and it doesn’t feel tight when weights are applied, good “shoulders” ie. stress is well on the ligs) but has a low LOT of 7:30 and below, is the feeling a “false alarm” as stressing the ligs would be unbeneficial for lenght gains?

I’m not sure I explain it clearly but let me try again: Even if one experiences all the good signs of a lig stretch type hanging (fatigued/ sore ligs, no skin stretch, no stress on the glans) BUT has a low LOT, are the signs only of work done, not of gains to expect?

I’m currently hanging approx 11 o’clock for tunica work (LOT approx 7:30) and it feels at the sides of the shaft and in the inner penis so I know it’s working, but I feel such a great lig stretch when hanging down / BTC I’m kind of suspicious if it really is a worthless angle for me.

six

Slow
>So tell me what you feel when you hang SO or OTS? …..Also how much time did it take you to achieve fatguie? and at what weight? compared to BTC<

Bigger pretty much summed up my experience with fatigue at higher angles. Especially the bit about soreness in and behind the balls. Interestingly, SO has always ‘felt’ as if it were doing more for me than BTC, though I have no real way of confirming this. I guess there’s something psychologically satisfying about feeling the stretch of the tunica that isn’t as profound when stretching the ligs.
For me, SO and OTS have never been as easy to execute as BTC or SD. Numbness and discoloration of the glans have dogged my upper angles when attempting sets near or beyond 10 mins - whereas these problems are almost non-existent with the lower angle sets. I suspect that a lot of this has to do with the need to use more weight at upper angles in order to feel a respectable tension - and my penis and hanging skills aren’t ready to handle higher weights/long sets just yet.
Given these issues it’s not hard to understand that for me fatigue is definitely harder to achieve at upper angles. And even recognizing the ‘fatigue sensation’ gives me pause because it is a very different sensation than lig fatigue.
With lig fatigue I am better able to ride it down and take advantage of it, whereas with tunica fatigue I tend to want to stop hanging for the day or move to a lower angle.
That’s why I asked about your own experience with lig fatigue and how you used it - I’m curious about other peoples experience with it and if they’re able to apply the same approach to tunica fatigue.

—Cap

six,

>I’m not sure I explain it clearly but let me try again: Even if one experiences all the good signs of a lig stretch type hanging (fatigued/ sore ligs, no skin stretch, no stress on the glans) BUT has a low LOT, are the signs only of work done, not of gains to expect?<

First, at 7:30, I am not sure you have exhausted your lig gain potential. Close maybe, but not for sure. So the answer is to try it for a while, especially if you feel the work, and see if you get gains. Keep up with your LOT, but go by when the gains stop to judge whether you need to change angles.

The value of the LOT test is to affirm the best angle to work if gains are not coming.

>I’m currently hanging approx 11 o’clock for tunica work (LOT approx 7:30) and it feels at the sides of the shaft and in the inner penis so I know it’s working, but I feel such a great lig stretch when hanging down / BTC I’m kind of suspicious if it really is a worthless angle for me.<

It is surely possible that the lower angles hold value for you. Each person is different. My ligs were apparently exhausted at about 7:00. DLD reported an LOT of 6:00.

Bigger

Bigger or Capt,
I have been hanging now for a couple of days SO doing 4-5 sets of 15-20 Min @ 12 lbs. I have no skin streach going on and am getting a fairly confortable hang however I cannot really feel anything along the shaft or behind the balls, all I really feel is a dull burning sensation at the base of my shaft and is concentrated on the top part. When I was hanging BTC I could really feel the pulling in my lig along the side of my shaft, so am i doing something wrong or is this what one is suppose to feel when hanging SO or OTS.

Slow

Slowg,

Sorry, I missed this one.

>I have been hanging now for a couple of days SO doing 4-5 sets of 15-20 Min @ 12 lbs. I have no skin streach going on and am getting a fairly confortable hang however I cannot really feel anything along the shaft or behind the balls, all I really feel is a dull burning sensation at the base of my shaft and is concentrated on the top part.<

That could be either skin stretch, or lig stretch. It is not impossible to stretch ligs in the SO position, depending on your LOT. Of course, it could also be that portion of your tunica which is being deformed.

>When I was hanging BTC I could really feel the pulling in my lig along the side of my shaft, so am i doing something wrong or is this what one is suppose to feel when hanging SO or OTS. <

I would say it would be an individual thing. However, if you are hanging OTS, you should feel only tunica work, both inner and outer. With lower angles, it just depends on the position and tightness of your ligs.

Bigger

Bigger,
OK thanks for the reply….I do not believe it is skin stretch because while i’m hanging i keep feeling to see if i am stretching skin, there is lose skin everywhere….After the 3rd day of hanging SO I still felt no real internal stretching however when Iwas done hanging for the day 2 hrs later My shaft became very sore and fatigued, very wierd that the soreness and the fatigue thing would happen hrs later. My shaft stayed in that state for several hrs…

Slow

Slow,

I don’t think it’s uncommon to not feel any stretching for the first couple of days. It took me a week or so of dedicated hanging (2 - 3 hours per day) before I felt it all throughout my hanging sessions. Although I can’t say for sure, I think it’s because during that time, I was breaking many of the collagen fibrils that were at their maximum level of tension allowing other collagen fibrils to undergo plastic deformation after they were broken. Again, there is no way to say for sure, but I can say for sure that it took me a bit of work before I felt any stretching as well.