Starting hanging again

So I have started hanging again and my basic routine goes like this. I do this 3-5 days a week usually getting at least 4 days in.

AM
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Warm up with a heating pad.

Hang for 30-40 minutes in 10-20 minute sessions. I am hanging between 12.5-15 lbs depending on how comfortable it is. I think I am still getting the wrapping down.

unwrap my package and then put on 30 OZ (almost 2 lbs) of montys PE weights and wear those all day (checking frequently that everything is OK) This I do not do everyday as sometimes I will be in situations where I can’t wear the PE weights.

Early evening

hang for another 20-30 minutes using 12.5-15 lbs

late PM

Do some stretching using the PJ

Do 2 sessions of Clamping

So my questions are this.

Would using an ADS be better than the PE weights? I find I don’t feel a stretch when I am sitting down and it also seems you could get more force using an ADS.

Should I remove the clamping from the routine and focus on length gains first? I have seemingly decent girth at 5.25 on a good day.

If I’m feeling a dull ache in my Ligs that is a good sign right? I hang almost straight down but I find if I stick my butt out a little rotating my pelvis towards the front I feel it more in the ligs and Tunica and less in the skin.

12.5lbs should be plenty right? It seems that with the way I hang going up in weight just puts more weight on the skin and reduces the amount of time I can hang.

Does anyone have experience hanging versus using a traction device? I am thinking of making one as it seems you could get more force applied more comfortably over a longer period of time than with hanging. Also seems it would be easier to use lying in bed watching TV.

Please Please Please can I get some feedback? my last thread got two responses :(

Sounds like a pretty heavy duty routine. Watch for over-doing it. 12.5 pounds and you’re just getting back into it sounds like more than enough. I like the PE Weights. Even when sitting the wrapping is keeping you in an extended state even if it’s not pulling as hard as when standing. The ache in your ligs sounds good and rocking your hips up like you said will hit them even harder. You may want to try to incorporate a pulley system in so you could lay in bed while watching tv.

Thanks for the advice I’m pretty catious about not overdoing it. I’ve never even had my ligs “pop” that sounds scary to me.

It doesn’t feel like a heavy routine it takes less than 1.5 hrs a day.

I worked up to 12.5- mind you it was over the course of a week.

hmm- I don’t feel any pull when sitting with the PE weights. Maybe it’s because 2lbs feels like a feather after hanging 12.5 or maybe I’m not wrapping right- I just wrap the penis so the weights slide on easily and then put a thicker wrap in front of them so they don’t fall off. should I be traction wrapping and then put the weights on? I’ve tried Tracion wrapping before and never got the hang of it.

Stub,
I would caution some of your thinking in terms of what PEweights are supposed to do. Peweights are an ADS in and of themselves 1st: They are just meant to just keep your ligaments straight as opposed to allowing the crimp in the ligs to pull up and compress. 2nd: Remember the 1st rule of greater gains is “less is better”

One of the things that I would like to get everyone to understand is that PE gains come from stretching ligaments when they aren’t looking. Think of your car seat belts. If you jerk hard on the belt it locks up. Your ligs have a mechanism similar in that they too will lock up under great stress. If you pull on your seat belt lightly then it gives. Your ligs are the same and when we get in a hurry and want big results quickly your going to find that your gains will be less then if you take it easy and lightly. One of Bib’s admonishments if you read his postings here is that at no point should there be any pain or discoloration of your gland. Well that means pretty light hanging and not until he had been at it for a couple of years do you see him move to the upper in weights. He was saying that most of his work was at 6 to 7 pounds and progression came later as his gains dropped off. I think we all need to concentrate on the goal. That goal is gains not weight. Our focus should be on progression of gains and not on adding weight. If after a month you do not see any gain then you need to change something but that something may not be added weight but different technique or angles or duration and increase of weight should be the last thing that we do.

Check out how many posts there are from guys who say that they were getting no gains from 12 to 15 pounds and went down to 6 and started gaining again. I havent changed my hanging weight in several months and my gains continue. Have faith.

I’m not trying to be argumentative here or shove anything down anyone’s throat, I just want to give a little thinking material and perspective. We’re all different but having said that we shouldn’t think that we are all unique and the basics don’t apply to us.

Wow,

Monty thanks for the post. When I was first hanging it seemed everyones was going for more weight all day long. I recall people were hanging 15-20lbs 2-5hrs a day. and most said they didn’t see results till they hit that heavy of weight. I am assuming that for Girth gains the key is to get serious internal pressure to force it to grow out.

I am all about the laziest PE I can do- but I want to see more results. Would you suggest I drop down to 5lbs and give it a month to see how it goes? I would much rather hang 5lbs and use the PE weights all day then what I am doing now.

I read in another post “I’d mostly agree with your breakdown of ADS devices but I would add that I think there is a possibility with ADS of actually strengthening the penis with the application of too small a force.”

This is concerning to me as I don’t want to end up in that boat either.

so does this sound like a more reasonable routine?

am- hang with 5lbs 20-40 minutes

wear PE weights all day

Early PM- hang with 5lbs 10-20 minutes

Bedtime- Light stretching (mostly to hit the angles my hanging doesn’t) Clamping, then sleeping.

or should I cut out the PM hanging and stretching? I figured it was a good thing as most people seem to think that hanging should be done for at least an hour a day.

I don’t think you are trying to be argumentative. I personally posted this thread in hopes of improving my workout. As far as you not trying to “Shove anything down anyones throat” I question your choice of words on a site that is all about the penis :)

Please feel free to give me more feedback. maybe even write up what you think would be a good routine? Though I am a ways from being a newbie I still have a huge amount to learn and love getting as much feedback as possible.

Stub.
I think what needs to be emphasized here is not so much my giving you a routine but giving you what I think are principles that many have seen work.

1. heavy hanging breaks down the ligaments resulting in micro-tears or fractures.
2. healing of those micro-tears or fractures occurs over a period of time after they are created. It is at this point that collagen is deposited on the ligaments and this adds to their strength and unless a condition is created where the ligaments are held in an extended condition then the natural process of the body will result in the ligaments returning to their original length.
3. We want to have the ligs heal in an extended condition therefore growth will occurs. This is accomplished by two methods as I see it. 1. constant application of heavy weights with NO allowance for healing back to original lengths requiring no duration of time for healing to finish its process. This requires, as I said before, constant heavy hanging, meaning all day long, everyday, no breaks, no missed sessions. Oh, you could miss a few hours with out healing completing but certainly not for a couple of days because that would be enough for the ligs to strengthen sufficiently to require heaver weights the next session. If you didn’t increase your weight at this point you would experience a plateau. 2. There is an alternative. Light weights that keep the ligs straight (not stretched necessarily) all day with heavy hanging routines to create new micro tears and fractures. The light weights just to keep the ligs from retracting during the hours of new collagen deposits. I actually think what happens is the new deposits are broken at the next heavy hanging session so there is actually a protraction of extension and a disruption of healing just like with full time heavy hanging but without the frequency requirement.

In answer to your question about how much weight. I don’t think 5 lbs is a bad place to start but what I would be curious about is whether you see any gains after a couple to three weeks. Measure Bone pressed for accuracy and if you don’t see any change THEN move up a couple of pounds and see what happens there. The thing is your weight changes should be not too frequent. Try to make one change at a time of duration, angle, or weight giving sufficient time to see if any change is occurring. Time is a factor that needs to be allowed to work. I’ve seen some guys who can bring about great changes in a very short amount of time but don’t place those expectations upon your condition because chances are your average. Remember too, that those guys usually slow down and join the rest of us in the long haul of normal gains which might be as little as 1/8” per month, but even that works out to 1 1/2” per year and in two years that’s 3” which is a big change. Well worth the time.

Monty- Thanks again.

So if I understand you correctly you theory is it’s better to create smaller micro-tears with heavier (say 5lbs) weights in the AM and then do ADS so that those smaller micro-tears can heal over the course of the day. This will help heal in an extended state which will prevent the ligaments from toughening up by healing in a contracted state.

If this is your theory 1-it seems very sound. 2- I should do all my heavy hanging in the morning and then do ADS to allow the ligs to heal in an extended state. 3- too much pressure from an ADS will prevent the ligs from healing but they may then heal that night or over the course of time off in the toughened state.

Does this sounds about right? Since I have only hung again maybe two-three weeks I shouldn’t have excessive toughening i hope… does that sound legit? I’m going out of town this weekend so I think I will take 4-5 days off (today was an off day) from hanging and make a fresh start with the new routine Monday.

I was just asking about your routine because I think it is helpful to see what others are doing- I realize you are much more experienced than me and our routines should not be the same.

-stubbs

Let me clarify a little. healing of the ligs is a very slow process. Many hours are involved in a 3 phase cycle. The real object of the ADS for long periods is to disrupt the healing phases when the in the last phase the return to original lig length is effected. That time period varies per individual but has been put at around 100 hours. So your working within that time period and attempting to keep the disruption going with the ADS so when the next heaving hanging session comes along the ligs are still in a disrupted state.

I hang generally in the late afternoon, but I don’t think it matters when, it’s the overall daily picture where heavy hanging is interspersed with light hanging all the time.

It doesn’t seem to effect anything at night when everything is resting but it is interesting to note that in the mornings when I load up with the rings that I have to stretch a little extra to get back to where I was the previous day but the rings take care of that automatically.

I have found, as others here have also, that heat during your workouts makes a big difference. The more you can stand the better, baring any burning. I use a rice sock and try to keep everything toasty warm. I just wish I knew what temperature was best and be able to maintain that temp better. Perhaps I should invent a warmer next.

I’m starting to ramble here but when I hang I use a Bungi cord hooked to a table top, so I’m standing and hang SO. This gives me the ability to hang a rice sock on my shaft between my hanger and my pelvic. When I can keep heat on during the entire hanging session I really feel and see the ligs give.

hmmm…. well I don’t think I’ve ever really seen my ligs give but I just did the first session of lighter heavy hanging (5lbx3 20 min sessions) and I have to say I feel it in the ligs just a bit but much more than I thought I would… and all this with no discomfort!!! so I think I may try and add in another short session of hanging so I’ll be doing 3-5 20 minute sessions.

I’m still perfecting the ADS hanging but since your initial reply about not wanting to go to heavy to soon I’ve really been much happier about PE. Like I said when I started everyone talked about having to get up to 15-20 pounds to see any results. I’m going to stick with the lighter weights till at least January and then check the progress. I think I’m more likely to stick with it as with the lighter weights I have less troubles.

Thanks a lot Monty!

any other pointers?

FYI I’ve never hung over 15 lbs. I seldome get over 12.

if the healing process takes 100 hours should I be doing ADS on days off too? If not should I do ADS on my last day of hanging?

Every day is the ideal as you want things stretched out when ANY healing takes place. Obviously excluding sleeping.