It’s been awhile, Remek, but I’ll try to get my brain back into this gear.
Originally Posted by remek
Since the model is 2D it cannot display lig tightness. Therefore tightness is being represented as length, correct?
Lig tightness is not really a relevant concept here. Normally, the ligs are under only negligible tension. The important factor is their length. They may be under slight tension during a LOT test, but I don’t think that tension is determative of LOT. It’s just something you need to apply to overcome the elasticity in the tissues so that LOT can be measured.
I hope that makes sense.
Originally Posted by remek
Now, I am confused with the lig length part of this diagram. Sometimes, when I try to change lig length, it tells me I cannot because “The inner penis is not long enough.”
One of the model’s simplifications is that the ligs are represented as a single line. The lig-line attaches to the pubic bone at one location and to the shaft at one other location. This is perhaps too simple, but it’s how the model works.
One of the basic rules for this system is that the inner penis must be long enough to meet the junction between the lig-line and the shaft. If it isn’t, the inner penis becomes separated from the outer penis. This is physically impossible (short of a horrible accident :) ). Since the two parts of the penis always have to be connected, the software interprets this condition as an error.
You can get past this by extending the inner penis, so that it is long enough to reach the junction with the ligs. Also, you can make the ligs longer, so they can effectively reach farther back to meet the short inner penis.
Originally Posted by remek
This happened under the following conditions:
Everything was set to default, except Inner penis length and lig length.
At first, lig length was 15, and inner penis length was 85.
I then changed lig length to 5, and it gave me the “error.” This would mean the inner penis length would have to be bigger for the lig length to be shorter. And in other words, it would show a correlation with shorter ligs, more inner penis. I tested this out:
I kept the lig length at 5, and changed the inner penis length from 85 to 100.
Sure enough, it worked. This is opposite of the statement above.
I might be doing something wrong, so if I am feel free to help me out.
I think I see what you’re talking about. You’re saying that the simulation does not agree with my conclusion that “the length or tightness of the ligaments (as represented in the model) is not relevant to the amount of inner penis.”
Under the conditions that you’ve set up, yes, I agree with you. You’ve found a condition in which shorter ligs are definitely associated with a longer inner penis. Nice job!
On the other hand, I don’t know anything about penile anatomy that requires the conditions you set forth. In fact, I think it’s just the opposite. LOT tests are done with the penis stretched out. But if the ligaments have to “reach back” to hit the junction on the shaft when the penis is stretched, what happens when the penis is flaccid?
Maybe I just need more coffee. The idea is that the conditions with which you programmed the model are unlikely to occur because they require that the inner penis be under constant tension even when no LOT test is being conducted. I don’t think the penis works this way. When a guy performing a LOT test releases the tension and lets his penis hang normally, it tends to retract into the body. Retraction occurs in both the outer penis and inner penis, I believe. But if the ligs are already reaching back as far as they can when the penis is stretched, what happens when the penis is released? In the scenario you’ve set up, the inner penis wouldn’t retract. I don’t think that’s right.
I think the more likely scenario is that inner penis has considerable “slack.” It can extend forward without being pinned back by the susp. lig. It can also retract without stressing the ligament.
Originally Posted by remek
I don’t believe this to be true. As far as my eyes can see, the ligaments are able attach to the outer penis. In fact, bib advocates this. How far do they attach on the outer penis? Well, we don’t know. I guess it depends on a variety of factors. Attachment point, length of ligs, tightness of ligs, and LOT (if one is to believe in LOT) all come into play.
In the model, it is the junction point between the lig-line and the shaft that separates the shaft into an inner penis and an outer penis. Therefore, parts of the inner penis could possibly fall outside the body. “Outer penis” does not mean outside the body. It just means beyond the lig attachment point. This is not inconsistent with what Bib was saying, I believe.
Originally Posted by remek
I attached a drawing that I found of Bib’s. It is on this forum somewhere, but I couldn’t re-find it. Anyways, the drawing shows someone with a Low LOT and ligaments that attach on the outer penis.