A dissappointing lack of progress.

I thought I would write up my first years P.E. Experience after a disheartening event that occurred on Thursday.

I started the newbie routine this time last year and after 3 months of little progress added clamping to my sets (20 minutes twice a day).
This didn’t produce any measurable gains to the length or girth of my penis by February so I decided to try pumping.

I bought a Mityvac pump and made a cylinder and began to pump for 4-5 days a week at 4Hg in 10 minute sets. I built the time up until
I was eventually doing 2 x 20 minute sets.

This made my penis swell for an hour or so but always shrink back down, producing no longer lasting effect. I kept this up until may
When I decided to alter my routine. I dropped back to 2 x 10 minute sets for 4-5 days a week at 6Hg as the swelling effect would last
Several hours. I also saw a program about various penis disorders and the urologist stated that a small penis had far stronger internal
Structures than large ones - so I decided I needed more pressure.

I upgraded my cylinder to one from LA Pump and purchased a heat pad and began the new routine. As mentioned it increased the length of time
That the penis stayed swollen, with no negative effects, at this point I tried condom pumping but found that it gave me a large number of burst
Capillaries even at low pressures, so I switched back to normal.

All of the time I was pumping I have been jelqing as well as stretching.

So where have I got, well the answer is not far. This time last year my penis was BPEL 5.8” x 4.25” EG and now it’s BPEL 6.1” x 4.25”
My girth has not grown at all, and I need help.

What should I add to my routine?

Thursday evening I was having sex with my girlfriend and she pulled an odd face, I asked her what
Was wrong and she said “I’m just trying to feel something.” I have never felt so crushed :(

That’s a pretty crushing comment from a girlfriend. She needs to practice some tact.

Don’t be discouraged. One of my favorite posters here (and a former Moderator) went for years without gain. He kept going and it worked. Finally. :)

Over 1/4” of BPEL gain is pretty good, garak. :thumbs:

If you are pumping, and jelquing, and stretching, perhaps you are overdoing it.

Have you tried focussing on pumping only? I got great girth results from using a cockring (leather, with snaps) after pumping.

GM

I thought I might have been overdoing it so I only have a light Jelq/Stretch routine.

I know the BPEL isn’t bad, but it isn’t something I notice, I need more girth.
It’s having a negative impact on our sex life because I know I am not pleasuring her,
So I think ‘why bother?’

I feel for you man. My girth is also 4.25". I’ve tried everything from pumping, edging with a cockring on (a leaving it on afterwards for long periods), clamping, horse 440s and bends. Nothing has helped. I even tried high erection jelqing (about 90%). It felt good for a little while and felt as though it was going to finally give me gains. Even though I only did 5 minutes of it about 4 times a week, I noticed my erection quality go downhill, so I would not recommend this.

I truly believe that for us members in the low girth department, we need to find a way to increase our girth using manual exercises FIRST. I think once we find what works for us manually until we plateau and then use other methods involving PE devices, such as cockrings or clamps.

For the past couple of weeks, all I’ve been doing is wearing my vac extender about 15 hours a day. Every 2 or 3 days I’ll thrown in some upward stretching or DLD Blasters. This usually lasts for only 3 to 5 mins. So far, I’ve noticed an increase in FG and FL, as well as a stronger morning erection.

My next experiment is going to be to throw in some jelqs. Now I know what you’re thinking… jelqing hasn’t worked for you in the past, so why do you think it’ll work for you this time? Well, after reading a couple of threads on technique, I think that I haven’t been performing my jelqs as efficiently as I should. I read these two threads: The importance of technique and Girth Blasters New Jelq Technique The way Nick33 described this jelq method got me thinking. He made me realize the importance of keeping the blood trapped in the penis. I used to do his one handed method before. Even my two handed method never really seemed to keep the blood in. But when I tried what he did, I feel as though I finally performed a jelq the proper way for the first time.

So, my advice would be to double check your jelq technique, do upward stretches in all directions (as well as DLD Blasters) and get Static Stretcher or Vac Extender and wear it at low to medium tension for as many hours during the day as possible.

Good luck.

Now that is encouraging! (and I’m not being facetious). I’m in a similar position of having no gains after 2 years and it can get depressing when one constantly reads about people having all these gains so it’s good to hear that there are people here who have gone long periods without gains and then “bang” it happens.

This is what I’m hoping for.

There are fast gainers and there are slow gainers. If you’re a slow one, remember the tale about the tortoise and the hare. Slow and steady wins the race.

Did you know, btw, that the word facetious is the only one which uses all the English vowels in their proper order? a e i o u

Nice!

I don’t know if in Italian we have a similar word. We have ” aiuole ” , that is flower beds, but vowels aren’t in the right order.

avocet8,
I know your great gains in flaccid size, how much in percentage are from pumping and how much from wrapping?

For guys having difficulty gaining…I recommend a switch in thinking.

I recommend forgetting about a bigger dick, instead shoot for a SUPER functioning dick.

Do PE with the goal of amazing Erectile Quality (EQ). Shoot for more frequent spontaneous erections, much harder erections, more frequent night and morning wood. Erections that are much easier to achieve and harder.

Why shoot for this? Because most guys that are in the “gaining zone” report experiencing this. I think some guys immediately shoot right past their “gaining zone” and never slow down. When they don’t get results, they usually add more, which leads them to believe that “nothing works for them”.

It may very well be that you should stay below 3 in hg 2-3 times a week for one set of 10 minutes to gain! There is no way for us to tell you…you have to find the right range for yourself.

What I can tell you is that when you are getting close to superior EQ for you…you will be much closer to success in growing.

For guys like you, I recommend a 2-3 week break. If at some point during that break, if your EQ starts to dramatically improve, you have your proof that you have been doing too much.

As you keep the layoff going, at some point you will notice that your EQ will begin to start to diminish again…good indicator that you can begin your PE again.

Once you see what great EQ is like for you, tailor your PE so that you are never more than one day of rest away from that level of EQ. If you find it takes 2 or more days off to regain your EQ, then you are doing too much.

So for example, you pump 10 minutes at 3 in hg…that night you have fewer erections than normal, or not “rock hard”. You take the next day off, and that night, you get wood so hard it wakes you up. This is a great indicator that daily is too much for you…at that time and vacuum level…get it?

My gut feeling is that many so called hard gainers actually need lower forces than most guys, not more…you may be one of these cases. Take the time off and you will get some very beneficial information to help you plot a more effective PE course.

Oh yeah, and don’t forget to kagel. Very important. Again 3 times a week is plenty for most guys…this also can be overdone.

If you haven’t read my PI thread, read it…it will be helpful.

There is that quote that the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. This applies here too!

Guys that “bang” get growth, is usually through continuing to study, ask questions and experiment, finally find the right combination of time, force and rest.

If you learn to read your PI’s, it can help shorten the time it takes to figure out what works for you. I wish you the best in your efforts.

PE is a marathon, not a sprint.

I experienced no significant girth gains for four years. I continued with PE because it felt good, it was a great stress reliever (what a hobby!) and I had hope. Well, with enough conditioning over time, I had a breakthrough. It was like a titration effect, where all the work suddenly pays off. I believe PE it be a logarithmic path, not a linear one. But since our minds tend to work along linear paths, it seems like no progress. My girth was about 4.75” when I first started. Over time I have built a solid 5.75” and am occasionally 6”. My goal is 6.5” and I know I will achieve it.

Although there are undeniable differences in how we each respond to PE, we’re also dealing with the same raw material of flesh. It can be molded, but it can be broked too. Ride the balance.

danwilke…what regime were you following to get your girth gains?

My regimen was pretty scattered. Mostly pumping and jelqing. I’m not sure what really ended up making the difference, but I do know it was a breakthrough in stead of a linear progression. My latest girth gains have come from pumping and clamping.

Finally, someone besides a computer scientist used the word logarithm to describe something!